Quote Originally Posted by fumofu View Post
For a big pulls to work, all players must be on a same skill level and decently geared. That's not always a case in 71-79 leveling dungeons, and I'm having huge problem with players who takes these dungeons as some kind of speedrun competition.


1."It's sub-optimal play" - he says. How can you expect optimal play in a leveling dungeon, where players are learning their jobs and don't have optimal equipment?
Not since Bartam, the Shisui superpull, and one pull in the latest Castrum dungeon have I needed both my dps to even be at their keyboards to do a full pull safely as tank or healer. That is assuming my healer or tank (the other of the two) is playing decently and all three of us are decently geared, of course, but that's just 3 out of 4 players even present in the fight. Even with each tank and melee stopping repeating the first step of their new AoE combos because they haven't noticed the new steps being added (with no in-game notice, so... understandable), or forgetting to pop cooldowns, full pulls can still be safely done even while the healer does a fair bit of damage.

As for "optimal play" in leveling dungeons, generally, the expectation in, say, a level 54 dungeon is that you'll at least understand how to use the level 1-50 part of your kit and mostly understand how to use whatever new parts are functionally identical to something you already had (i.e. Battle Litany or Wanderer's Minuet functioning much like any other damage buff or Song, respectively, before you learn their idiosyncrasies in mastering them). By level 60 you'd be expected to have some idea of when and why Battle Litany might be rushed or delayed (though that's basically a nonissue now) or why you'd open with Wanderer's Minuet over Ballad or Paeon. By level 64 or so... you'd be expected to be making good use of those skills from 10 levels back. Sonic Thrust, being a much simpler concept to master (A-B-A-B-A-B...), most would expect you to start using with few slip-ups a few pulls after you acquire it. Etc., etc.