Tank Damage

[Lanze]

What happened to tank damage exactly? Tanks got a massive nerf in terms of damage output compared to earlier expansions. I main Warrior but play all tanks or previously raided with them, I might get banned here for mentioning some of this but i don't mind, as i rarely ever post here. Theres this picture going around showing all jobs DPS numbers on dummies. Where all tanks sit around 6300+ DPS, And healers being very close behind (WHM is 1000 ahead of tanks) In stormblood i could do a solid 6000 on warrior. So did all other jobs get boosted too much or did tanks get nerfed, Can't tell. Also i don't see how a healer who presses 2-3 offensive spells can do more or equal to a tank that has to follow a rotation and weaving. This turned more into a rant than anything lol But hey. have at it

[AleXwern]

Never did they say tank dps would get nerfed, it's just that dps stances went away. In reality dps stances itself did basically nothing, and since the rest of the kit is intact tank dps stays the same/is buffed because accessories have more STR.

[Lanze]

Never did they say tank dps would get nerfed, it's just that dps stances went away. In reality dps stances itself did basically nothing, and since the rest of the kit is intact tank dps stays the same/is buffed because accessories have more STR.

But we got Tank Mastery trait as a replacement. deliverence was only 5% I dont how it would make that much of a difference

[MerlinCross]

Never did they say tank dps would get nerfed, it's just that dps stances went away. In reality dps stances itself did basically nothing, and since the rest of the kit is intact tank dps stays the same/is buffed because accessories have more STR.

And yet people are going to complain tanks don't do enough damage due to... reasons? Or for Reasons. I dunno.

[Doozer]

I haven't noticed a change in tank DPS at all.

[Lanze]

I haven't noticed a change in tank DPS at all.

That's what i mean by nerf, Every other job got an increase in DMG. we just stayed the same as we did in SB

[Doozer]

That's what i mean by nerf, Every other job got an increase in DMG. we just stayed the same as we did in SB

Everyone else getting buffed isn't a nerf. If you're standing halfway up a flight of stairs and everyone walks up to you or higher, that doesn't meant you went any further down the stairs. Understand?

[MaraD_]

Im one who doesnt care if tanks do more or less dps. but just to correct a misunderstanding about the nerf to their dps...

Everyone else getting buffed isn't a nerf. If you're standing halfway up a flight of stairs and everyone walks up to you or higher, that doesn't meant you went any further down the stairs. Understand?

You mixed up which things you were talking about in your example.

When talking about "nerfs" its in comparison to something. Either what it was prior, or what it is compared to another thing within the same category.
In this case, they made 2 different comparisons.
So if they compare themselves to DPS, then your example should be;
"If you're 4 steps below the people in front of you, and someone wouldnt let u take steps forward, and forced the person(s) in front of you to take 2 more steps forward, then you're now 6 steps behind them."
The comparison isnt how far you are to the top of the stairway, but how far you ware from the other person(s) on the stairway.

DPS doesnt have a "top" max, so the only thing to compare to is to the DPS of another class.

If there is anything considered remotely similar to your example, is if you said they added more stairs to the stairway, and bumped other people up further along the stairway.
(Bosses HP is now higher than before, so the damage you deal by % has gone DOWN)

The same logic applies to measuring "movement" in space. A stationary object with no momentum, is equal to an object in motion, if compared to an object in motion.

its not a nerf, everyone get dmg buff of sort while tank are still the same more or less

Damage by percentage has been lowered. That is a nerf.

Think of inflation.
You have 1 dollars worth of currency.
The currency doubles from the government tomorrow.
Your currency is now worth half as much.

Thats indirectly taking value from your currency, and applying it elsewhere.
This would be pointless, other than for the factor the government gets to spend it, and any debt people had, just lost value, and the debt holders lost a % of currency needed to pay of the current value of lifes costs.

You can argue, no, there is no loss of money, money was ADDED. But in reality, money was lost by some, and gained by others.
obviously in this case, value of DPS is based on the % of a targets HP that can be removed.
They dont actually need a fixed value, as a fight can have completely different enrage timers.
So the value of DPS is on a per boss fight basis, which cant be directly measured.
Instead, you have to go with a sort of estimate, based on prior fights.

[gumas]

That's what i mean by nerf, Every other job got an increase in DMG. we just stayed the same as we did in SB

its not a nerf, everyone get dmg buff of sort while tank are still the same more or less

[ADVSS]

LOL read the description on tank mastery closer. Back in HW we were against them making VIT a part of tank damage, because we were STR tanking. Cant meld primary stats like str into gear anymore? They totally did what we thought they were going to do. And I can guarantee you, no matter how hard they try, there will still be tanks out damaging DPS, when they figure out how. They gated tank DMG. Like they wanted to, in return enmity is an after thought. I'll be clear about this, but I wince when i see people insulting others for mentioning the loss of the enmity combo, because this is a long stringed up thing. Those combo's were still necessary until they shifted tank main damage stat to vit/str split then had to jack enmity gains to compensate. The dmg did get reduced immediately after the patch as well, but it inclined. Then SB happened, everyone forgot. People tanking out of tank stance was the thing as normal, to the point where this is where we're at. They fixed every complaint others had for tanks that preferred to go the damage route. This is what we got.