Monk should it be "Nerfed" ?

[ForteNightshade]

DPS should never be balnced around complexity? Really? so i guess NIN and SMN are A okay and everyone is just exagerating, right? They are not complaining about having to press 50+ buttons (and doing mecahincs) do less DPS that a class that has to press 2, nah that is just an exageration.

Ninjas and Summoners are complaining because they're contributions were/are incredibly lackluster. It doesn't matter how complex or not the jobs are if they feel like garbage. Balancing around complexity just leads to the same issues we're already seeing. Case in point, Samurai. It is arguably the easiest DPS in the game yet also one of the least popular in Savage. Why? Dragoon and Monk utterly demolish it rDPS wise. And it isn't like either are significantly harder to figure out. One might argue Dragoon is just as easy.

Hey, you know what other class said that for 2 expansions? MNK huh...how peculiar is to be on the other side for once....

And? You don't make a job overpowered to compensate for bad design.

[Metalwrath]

Ninjas and Summoners are complaining because they're contributions were/are incredibly lackluster. It doesn't matter how complex or not the jobs are if they feel like garbage. Balancing around complexity just leads to the same issues we're already seeing. Case in point, Samurai. It is arguably the easiest DPS in the game yet also one of the least popular in Savage. Why? Dragoon and Monk utterly demolish it rDPS wise. And it isn't like either are significantly harder to figure out. One might argue Dragoon is just as easy.



And? You don't make a job overpowered to compensate for bad design.

Dragoon is a lot more complex than monk is to play currently.Sure the rotation may seem simple enough.But there is a lot to the timing and lining up buffs and high end use of the likes of elusive jump to maximize dps potential.Dragoon is massivly punishing for making a single mistake in rotation or having jump animations delay combos ever so slightly if timed wrong which can have a snowball effect.
Monk is currently just easy mode especially with so much of a crutch for hitting positionals with the 2 charges of true north that regenerate so fast.It's doing way too much damage for minimum effort.

[Reilyn]

Dragoon is a lot more complex than monk is to play currently.Sure the rotation may seem simple enough.But there is a lot to the timing and lining up buffs and high end use of the likes of elusive jump to maximize dps potential.Dragoon is massivly punishing for making a single mistake in rotation or having jump animations delay combos ever so slightly if timed wrong which can have a snowball effect.
Monk is currently just easy mode especially with so much of a crutch for hitting positionals with the 2 charges of true north that regenerate so fast.It's doing way too much damage for minimum effort.

Like I, and others said before, I don't care about the effort it takes to play a MNK.

I care that its existence in its current form creates the perception that SAM is a redundant discount MNK, and isn't a priority when a number of people are seeking players for groups.

Hey, you know what other class said that for 2 expansions? MNK huh...how peculiar is to be on the other side for once....

Another pearl clutcher who feels like MNK is owed this.

[reyre]

Like I, and others said before, I don't care about the effort it takes to play a MNK.

I care that its existence in its current form creates the perception that SAM is a redundant discount MNK, and isn't a priority when a number of people are seeking players for groups.



Another pearl clutcher who feels like MNK is owed this.

Another pearl clutcher? that is vastly mistaken, i liteally just meant as i said it its very, very weird to see MNK not being ignored mostly, i honestly dont care if MNK is owned this or not, when they nerf MNK i will still play it, so no. While its really easy to misunderstand what others write you should not, because as proven by this, You are wrong.

[Reilyn]

Another pearl clutcher? that is vastly mistaken, i liteally just meant as i said it its very, very weird to see MNK not being ignored mostly, i honestly dont care if MNK is owned this or not, when they nerf MNK i will still play it, so no. While its really easy to misunderstand what others write you should not, because as proven by this, You are wrong.

Then don't make such a single-sentence response that can cause people to allegedly misread your intentions or position on the matter.
Your post reads like a "the shoe is on the other foot" response, which isn't hard to find in discussions like this.

[reyre]

Then don't make such a single-sentence response that can cause people to allegedly misread your intentions or position on the matter.
Your post reads like a "the shoe is on the other foot" response, which isn't hard to find in discussions like this.

Allegedly? You did misread it. And that is literally not my problem, you have this beautiful thing call questions, you should use them. If i were to do what you just did, i could say that you are a salty SAM, that doesnt like being on the reciving end. Now would that be fair? or realistic? Ofcourse not. Look while this is literally not the place for it, if you answer evey post with agression you are worse than those who made such post, also you did the same so..that seems hypocritical. Butthat is neither here nor there and not relevant to the post really, my stand is this, they should not nerf MNK if they are not going to rework it, IF they are, sure nerf it.

[Reilyn]

Allegedly? You did misread it. And that is literally not my problem, you have this beautiful thing call questions, you should use them. If i were to do what you just did, i could say that you are a salty SAM, that doesnt like being on the reciving end. Now would that be fair? or realistic? Ofcourse not. Look while this is literally not the place for it, if you answer evey post with agression you are worse than those who made such post, also you did the same so..that seems hypocritical. Butthat is neither here nor there and not relevant to the post really, my stand is this, they should not nerf MNK if they are not going to rework it, IF they are, sure nerf it.

If I made such a statement in response to people, and cite MNKs treatment in past expansions, which literally doesn't matter at all in this conversation, yeah, people would be right to question my intentions for bringing something that irrelevant up. Thankfully, no one else brought that up after you, and that other guy did. Maybe you honestly just strayed from the conversation, or maybe it was in bad faith. I'll question you next time, but you too should do better at bringing a relevant response.

[reyre]

Ninjas and Summoners are complaining because they're contributions were/are incredibly lackluster. It doesn't matter how complex or not the jobs are if they feel like garbage. Balancing around complexity just leads to the same issues we're already seeing. Case in point, Samurai. It is arguably the easiest DPS in the game yet also one of the least popular in Savage. Why? Dragoon and Monk utterly demolish it rDPS wise. And it isn't like either are significantly harder to figure out. One might argue Dragoon is just as easy.

Ok wait stop, if we are seeing the same issues and correct me if i am wrong, so far the jobs were not balanced around complexity but party contribution, ehh what are you suggesting that is any different?
So lets take what you wrote, SAM is probably the easiest DPS in the game and so far its the least played, because it does the least ammount of DMG yes? or more precisly rDPS, so what i understand for what you are writing is that an easy class, that is both easy to master and has almost no restriction in how it deals dps (it has no inhereit mechanic that can lower its dps, ie positionals and such) deals the least ammount of DPS...
Perhaps i am not reading what you wrote with the proper focus, but it seems that ehh it kind of follows what i was writting. While i do understand the sentiment behind it, it simply doesnt follow what you are saying.

You don't make a job overpowered to compensate for bad design.

Ok...but that was not what i mean when i wrote that, i meant it as an honest surprise, its really fascinating to see how many people read what they want to read instead of either asking if they are right or not assuming they are. Either learn how to read, and by extention how to ask questions or/and dont assume anything.
Either way to actually answer the very asinine "and?" you are right you should not do that, yet they stubbornly refuse to fix MNK in any way shape or form, so why is it that the best(only, apparently )way that they can muster up in balancing, its met with such resistance? could it be that its because they have no clue what to do with MNK? Nah cant be it. IN case that i wasnt obvious my point is, they should not have waited this long (2 expac) to addres MNK but since they did, why should MNK regress so that everyone else feels satisfied? that seems pointless, because honestly (and sadly) that is what a nerf would do, its a trully a shame, the class needed a rework, but they did not, they cant balance it (or dont want to) so what is the actuall solution? Just ignore it again then?