Monk should it be "Nerfed" ?

[Liam_Harper]

Let's be realistic though, for Monks, having other dps raised to their level is the same as Monk being nerfed down to their level. They'd be just as strong comparatively either way. On the other hand it would instead serve as a nerf to all raids and trials because all the dps now have more damage output. This tier is already one of the easier ones as it is.

Nerfs just feel bad, no one wants to feel they've "lost" damage or become weaker, but giving Monk and maybe Drg a minor potency nerf is the most sensible solution.

[Noctisnine]

Let's be realistic though, for Monks, having other dps raised to their level is the same as Monk being nerfed down to their level. They'd be just as strong comparatively either way. On the other hand it would instead serve as a nerf to all raids and trials because all the dps now have more damage output. This tier is already one of the easier ones as it is.

Nerfs just feel bad, no one wants to feel they've "lost" damage or become weaker, but giving Monk and maybe Drg a minor potency nerf is the most sensible solution.

Why do you wanna nerf monk when there are other jobs with much bigger problems? Monk was in the gutter for a long time with tons of problems and no one cared about monk, now that he does damage everyone care about it. Black mage has tons of mobility now being able to turret and do insane damage from a distance while monk not only has positional it's also a lot more complex to play, samurai the same has a very good kit a gap closer a shield a skill to jump back it's just not damage that counts. That's why summoner which is in the gutter now should be third DPS because his rotation is very hard to master while having to stay still to cast ruin III and sometimes to triple weave. But I guess pointing the gun to monk is much easier than solving the rest of the problems.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

To prevent a power creep reducing the difficulty of content?

Power creep? Lets say u get a group right now that's dps is DRG, MNK, BLM and BRD. The bard having had a buff to be a bit better dps is not going to make smth like e4s massively easy? Besides with more people getting better gear and with more on the horizon ALL content will get easier to clear. That's just what happens. People losing their minds over the thought of not nerfing a class they've taken a dislike to. The only time it's gonna make a clear noticeably easier if its a full current non meta class dps group, and it SHOULD because it is broken for it to be a huge struggle with some classes vs others. And if power creep becomes a big issue that devs care for they can increase bosses hp ever so slightly so its still about the same clear time as is now. But I don't think that would be needed at all..

[Reilyn]

Why do you wanna nerf monk when there are other jobs with much bigger problems? Monk was in the gutter for a long time with tons of problems and no one cared about monk, now that he does damage everyone care about it. Black mage has tons of mobility now being able to turret and do insane damage from a distance while monk not only has positional it's also a lot more complex to play, samurai the same has a very good kit a gap closer a shield a skill to jump back it's just not damage that counts.

1: People care about it because it's doing too much damage for what it brings to the group outside of its own damage.
2: Job DPS should never be balanced around something as subjective as complexity. That line of thinking will have you justifying RDMs remaining where they are; unwanted.
3: SAM mobility isn't earning it preferential treatment when there's a job that does more dps, and buffs others to do more dps. You really think people making statics sit there thinking "I want a SAM for the group instead of the MNK because it has a backstep"?

We get it. You're clutching pearls, but can you not make such assertions with silly arguments, or that reek of the feeling like you're owed this?

[Kahnom]

I think MNK should be nerf a bit,Like lower Leaden Fist potency or something.
I feel the job is kinda too strong.Even mediocre MNK can pull high DPS.
This job should be high skill, high reward NOT strong by design.

[Sylvain]

I do think it needs a nerf, it shouldn't be first and bring buff and utility. In term of rdps we'd like all melee to be within 1% of each other (admittedly TA being hard to tune)
So pdps should be SAM equal to current MNK dps (or very slightly under, as long as it does BLM still dps), MNK then DRG then NIN
And ideally when you look at rdps you see all of them very close.

[TaiyouSeishin]

I do think it needs a nerf, it shouldn't be first and bring buff and utility. In term of rdps we'd like all melee to be within 1% of each other (admittedly TA being hard to tune)
So pdps should be SAM equal to current MNK dps (or very slightly under, as long as it does BLM still dps), MNK then DRG then NIN
And ideally when you look at rdps you see all of them very close.

Cloe but in reverse. You dont want drg or nin to only have dps increase utilities, and not actually have them increase dps at least when comparing the pdps you lose to bring them.

[Duskane]

Probably just have to tone down Riddle of fire

[ForteNightshade]

Power creep? Lets say u get a group right now that's dps is DRG, MNK, BLM and BRD. The bard having had a buff to be a bit better dps is not going to make smth like e4s massively easy? Besides with more people getting better gear and with more on the horizon ALL content will get easier to clear. That's just what happens. People losing their minds over the thought of not nerfing a class they've taken a dislike to. The only time it's gonna make a clear noticeably easier if its a full current non meta class dps group, and it SHOULD because it is broken for it to be a huge struggle with some classes vs others. And if power creep becomes a big issue that devs care for they can increase bosses hp ever so slightly so its still about the same clear time as is now. But I don't think that would be needed at all..

Except Bard needs a lot more than "a bit" in terms of buffs. In fact, lets see what each job you've listed is pulling at the 95th percentile in Titan.

Black Mage: 14,561
Monk: 14,508
Dragoon: 14,246
Bard: 13,012

That is a difference of 1,200-1,500 rDPS. In order to bring Bard up to a comparable level, they'd need somewhere like 900 more flat rDPS. That much of an increase means you will absolute stomp on all the current DPS checks if you're halfway competent. Good groups are already skipping things like Quietus and the last sit of Tumult spam. Hardcore groups are almost skipping Black Smokers. While yes, our ilvl is increasing. Why make Eden's Gate even more trivial when the better solution is nerfing the jobs down to a balanced level?

[MaelleRiou]

To prevent a power creep reducing the difficulty of content?

Buffing the jobs that are behind wouldn't really do that since there's enough jobs already doing that level of DPS. If it was like, just monk and black mage up at the top and everyone else was around the same then nerfing would make more sense.