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    Rhulk Roegan
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    Ninjas and Summoners are complaining because they're contributions were/are incredibly lackluster. It doesn't matter how complex or not the jobs are if they feel like garbage. Balancing around complexity just leads to the same issues we're already seeing. Case in point, Samurai. It is arguably the easiest DPS in the game yet also one of the least popular in Savage. Why? Dragoon and Monk utterly demolish it rDPS wise. And it isn't like either are significantly harder to figure out. One might argue Dragoon is just as easy.



    And? You don't make a job overpowered to compensate for bad design.
    Dragoon is a lot more complex than monk is to play currently.Sure the rotation may seem simple enough.But there is a lot to the timing and lining up buffs and high end use of the likes of elusive jump to maximize dps potential.Dragoon is massivly punishing for making a single mistake in rotation or having jump animations delay combos ever so slightly if timed wrong which can have a snowball effect.
    Monk is currently just easy mode especially with so much of a crutch for hitting positionals with the 2 charges of true north that regenerate so fast.It's doing way too much damage for minimum effort.
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    Vael Keriun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalwrath View Post
    Dragoon is a lot more complex than monk is to play currently.Sure the rotation may seem simple enough.But there is a lot to the timing and lining up buffs and high end use of the likes of elusive jump to maximize dps potential.Dragoon is massivly punishing for making a single mistake in rotation or having jump animations delay combos ever so slightly if timed wrong which can have a snowball effect.
    Monk is currently just easy mode especially with so much of a crutch for hitting positionals with the 2 charges of true north that regenerate so fast.It's doing way too much damage for minimum effort.
    Like I, and others said before, I don't care about the effort it takes to play a MNK.

    I care that its existence in its current form creates the perception that SAM is a redundant discount MNK, and isn't a priority when a number of people are seeking players for groups.

    Quote Originally Posted by reyre View Post
    Hey, you know what other class said that for 2 expansions? MNK huh...how peculiar is to be on the other side for once....
    Another pearl clutcher who feels like MNK is owed this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilyn View Post
    Like I, and others said before, I don't care about the effort it takes to play a MNK.

    I care that its existence in its current form creates the perception that SAM is a redundant discount MNK, and isn't a priority when a number of people are seeking players for groups.



    Another pearl clutcher who feels like MNK is owed this.
    Another pearl clutcher? that is vastly mistaken, i liteally just meant as i said it its very, very weird to see MNK not being ignored mostly, i honestly dont care if MNK is owned this or not, when they nerf MNK i will still play it, so no. While its really easy to misunderstand what others write you should not, because as proven by this, You are wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reyre View Post
    Another pearl clutcher? that is vastly mistaken, i liteally just meant as i said it its very, very weird to see MNK not being ignored mostly, i honestly dont care if MNK is owned this or not, when they nerf MNK i will still play it, so no. While its really easy to misunderstand what others write you should not, because as proven by this, You are wrong.
    Then don't make such a single-sentence response that can cause people to allegedly misread your intentions or position on the matter.
    Your post reads like a "the shoe is on the other foot" response, which isn't hard to find in discussions like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reilyn View Post
    Then don't make such a single-sentence response that can cause people to allegedly misread your intentions or position on the matter.
    Your post reads like a "the shoe is on the other foot" response, which isn't hard to find in discussions like this.
    Allegedly? You did misread it. And that is literally not my problem, you have this beautiful thing call questions, you should use them. If i were to do what you just did, i could say that you are a salty SAM, that doesnt like being on the reciving end. Now would that be fair? or realistic? Ofcourse not. Look while this is literally not the place for it, if you answer evey post with agression you are worse than those who made such post, also you did the same so..that seems hypocritical. Butthat is neither here nor there and not relevant to the post really, my stand is this, they should not nerf MNK if they are not going to rework it, IF they are, sure nerf it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reyre View Post
    Allegedly? You did misread it. And that is literally not my problem, you have this beautiful thing call questions, you should use them. If i were to do what you just did, i could say that you are a salty SAM, that doesnt like being on the reciving end. Now would that be fair? or realistic? Ofcourse not. Look while this is literally not the place for it, if you answer evey post with agression you are worse than those who made such post, also you did the same so..that seems hypocritical. Butthat is neither here nor there and not relevant to the post really, my stand is this, they should not nerf MNK if they are not going to rework it, IF they are, sure nerf it.
    If I made such a statement in response to people, and cite MNKs treatment in past expansions, which literally doesn't matter at all in this conversation, yeah, people would be right to question my intentions for bringing something that irrelevant up. Thankfully, no one else brought that up after you, and that other guy did. Maybe you honestly just strayed from the conversation, or maybe it was in bad faith. I'll question you next time, but you too should do better at bringing a relevant response.
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    Last edited by Reilyn; 08-30-2019 at 07:12 PM.

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