Monk should it be "Nerfed" ?

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Judging from your avatar, I think I found my twin sister. Or you're my gender bent doppleganger.

Well I'm definitely the cuter twin :P

[Ryaz]

The avatar always makes males look ugly. Lol.

[Misutoraru]

Judging from your avatar, I think I found my twin sister. Or you're my gender bent doppleganger.

current gap is too large, either bring down those top job or we need to bring up a lot of bottom job
anyway dont want to jump into this MNK should nerf or not fight
but I think
Doppleganger more likely? As she is a moonkeeper, and you are sunseeker

[gintokiygo]

Monk and Black Mage clearly need nerfs. Dragoon is iffy.
If they don't get nerfed, then they need to bring the bottom end jobs up instead. One or the other.

Personally I think it would be easier for them to nerf a couple classes than buff nearly half a dozen. So I think they should. Monk clearly isn't supposed to be this strong...

I agree with Monk due to having Brotherhood and Mantra. However Blackmage bring nothing and is in a weird spot where nerfing them would put them in the same position as current Samurai. Also their higher damage isn't translating as well in savage content otherwise they'd be ahead of Monk right now.

[reyre]

I agree with Monk due to having Brotherhood and Mantra. However Blackmage bring nothing and is in a weird spot where nerfing them would put them in the same position as current Samurai. Also their higher damage isn't translating as well in savage content otherwise they'd be ahead of Monk right now.

Ok i aree on the brotherhood part, but mantra? really? Lets be honest here healing (just the healing potencies) is pretty strong right now, and in my experience 9/10 times mantra is useless it wont make you clear content "safely" nor is more consistent, in fact if you "need" (that is to say if mantra brings that much of an utility) then you are most likely not going to survive either way.

I am on the camp of not nerfing the classes but buffing them, nerfing a class is not balance it creates the same unbalance just infavor of the other class, (as many has stated before) in the case of MNK just remove the party wide DMG boost from BH let it be just a boost to MNK , leave the effect of opening chackras, and there you go problem solved... and if you must because you feel like "mantra" is broken (Is really not...) then remove it.

Look lets be fair here MNK has always been forgoten in most of the expansions and adjustments, its either a joke (HW) or completly ignored after being robed of its identity by SAM (SB) and in ARR it was either MNK or DRG for the mayority of it so there wasnt much of a choice until NIN and even then it was picked out of necessity, it was literally the least played job in HW and SB, hell i think it was pretty low in ARR too. So that at least now (even if it is just for the numbers, kind of sad really) MNK is actually a played class. Some love to the class was actually needed, i hope that they dont nerf MNK but buff other classes.

[Drayos]

Nope. Make changes to other classes where required. Why make people who currently are enjoying the class upset when u can bring up other classes a bit?

To prevent a power creep reducing the difficulty of content?

[Aelin_Ashryver]

To prevent a power creep reducing the difficulty of content?

Power creep? Lets say u get a group right now that's dps is DRG, MNK, BLM and BRD. The bard having had a buff to be a bit better dps is not going to make smth like e4s massively easy? Besides with more people getting better gear and with more on the horizon ALL content will get easier to clear. That's just what happens. People losing their minds over the thought of not nerfing a class they've taken a dislike to. The only time it's gonna make a clear noticeably easier if its a full current non meta class dps group, and it SHOULD because it is broken for it to be a huge struggle with some classes vs others. And if power creep becomes a big issue that devs care for they can increase bosses hp ever so slightly so its still about the same clear time as is now. But I don't think that would be needed at all..

[ForteNightshade]

Power creep? Lets say u get a group right now that's dps is DRG, MNK, BLM and BRD. The bard having had a buff to be a bit better dps is not going to make smth like e4s massively easy? Besides with more people getting better gear and with more on the horizon ALL content will get easier to clear. That's just what happens. People losing their minds over the thought of not nerfing a class they've taken a dislike to. The only time it's gonna make a clear noticeably easier if its a full current non meta class dps group, and it SHOULD because it is broken for it to be a huge struggle with some classes vs others. And if power creep becomes a big issue that devs care for they can increase bosses hp ever so slightly so its still about the same clear time as is now. But I don't think that would be needed at all..

Except Bard needs a lot more than "a bit" in terms of buffs. In fact, lets see what each job you've listed is pulling at the 95th percentile in Titan.

Black Mage: 14,561
Monk: 14,508
Dragoon: 14,246
Bard: 13,012

That is a difference of 1,200-1,500 rDPS. In order to bring Bard up to a comparable level, they'd need somewhere like 900 more flat rDPS. That much of an increase means you will absolute stomp on all the current DPS checks if you're halfway competent. Good groups are already skipping things like Quietus and the last sit of Tumult spam. Hardcore groups are almost skipping Black Smokers. While yes, our ilvl is increasing. Why make Eden's Gate even more trivial when the better solution is nerfing the jobs down to a balanced level?

[MaelleRiou]

To prevent a power creep reducing the difficulty of content?

Buffing the jobs that are behind wouldn't really do that since there's enough jobs already doing that level of DPS. If it was like, just monk and black mage up at the top and everyone else was around the same then nerfing would make more sense.

[ForteNightshade]

Buffing the jobs that are behind wouldn't really do that since there's enough jobs already doing that level of DPS. If it was like, just monk and black mage up at the top and everyone else was around the same then nerfing would make more sense.

Except it was only those two, and DRG who were dominating. Now NIN joined the party while five other jobs remain at the absolute bottom and Samurai wonders what it will take to actually get meaningful buffs.