Lack of End Game Content

[linay]

A roulette is a game which allows a number or item to be randomly selected. That's all it is, it doesn't include any of thedungeons. The content is the game that allows for the random selection of a dungeon. Doing the roulette is participating in this. It's an activity, not content.

Stop making up your own definitions. It's simple really.

Of course it includes the duties inside. It's a roulette of duties.

[Kaylessa]

Of course it includes the duties inside. It's a roulette of duties.

The 'duty' modifying roulette refers to what is randomly being chosen. The roulette is used to randomly choose. It does not include the duties inside.

EDIT: Wrong word

[linay]

The 'duty' modifying roulette refers to what is randomly being chosen. The roulette is used to randomly choose. It does not include the duties inside.

EDIT: Wrong word

They're not rewarding you for just choosing random things. They're rewarding you for being chosen to do random duty and then for doing that duty.

[Kaylessa]

They're not rewarding you for just choosing random things. They're rewarding you for being chosen to do random duty and then for doing that duty.

The activity they reward you for is doing the random dungeon selected, yes. We're getting off track.

The dungeons are content, the duty roulette is content. The duty roulette is content included to choose random dungeons. These are very real items or things that make up the game, stuff that is coded into the game. Everybody can experience this, it's part of the package.

Participating in a dungeon is not something coded into the game. It is not a part of the game available to everyone because your actions are your own, your actions are not included in the game, they don't come packaged in the game, it is not a part of the game's content.

An activity (by the very definition of the word), is the doing of a thing. Participating in a dungeon is a doing of a thing - you completed content. Participating in the duty roulette is the doing of a thing - you selected a random dungeon. All activities, all things you do.

Participating in the duty roulette to get end game rewards is something done only at max level and is an endgame activity, the dungeon chosen isn't important it's just to complete a dungeon. Run it and you will get your reward. The dungeon chosen, if Sastasha, is content not unlocked at max level and therefore not endgame content even though you're engaging in an endgame activity. You have run leveling content chosen by the duty roulette to get an endgame reward.

Simples.

[BlitzAceRush]

Several pages of levelling roulette .

Which still makes Sastasha an endgame activity in that moment as now it's been selected you need to run it and finish it to get a tomestone you can only get by being max level content.
You've gone back and forth with linay for like two pages over a technicality, you can spin it anyway but "Content that you have to be max level to do to get gear or items to progress your max level character" Under that, doing the levelling roulette counts as being as a max level character is the only way to trigger it to give you the right tomestone and to do the levelling roulette, you must complete the dungeon it selects for you, making the whole activity from selecting to doing the roulette, to being assigned a dungeon, to completing it is the endgame activity.

Another example of this is the ARR and HW relic, they both had you running out of date content for some of its steps but the relic, the activity you were doing it for is endgame content at it's time so once put into the relic steps that old content became endgame content until the relic itself was no longer relevant

linay isn't arguing that just running Sastasha in of itself is endgame content, but that any dungeon you get during the levelling roulette is endgame content during that roulette and shes right, plenty of games ask you to run non max level or out of date content as part of endgame for quests or other forms of progression.

If you have to complete it, to finish the endgame activity then it's part of the endgame for as long as the activity its a part of is considered endgame.

Also I'd like to point out that under this narrow view we're all still using, the currently Ultimate's, the most challenging content currently in the game still doesn't count as endgame, which I find laughable given the "I want challenging endgame!" Well, there it sits.

[Kaylessa]

You've gone back and forth with linay for like two pages over a technicality,

I've gone back and forth with Linay for two pages because Linay is fond of changing definitions to suit their agenda.

The leveling roulette is content separate from dungeons. You are rewarded for doing what the roulette said, that's the endgame activity in question. Complete what the roulette tells you and get your reward. What the roulette tells you to do is immaterial, nowhere does it say that this content has to be endgame content, nowhere does it say that running Sastasha because of a roulette suddenly makes running Sastasha an endgame activity. That is something you invented to forward an agenda.

Another example of this is the ARR and HW relic, they both had you running out of date content for some of its steps but the relic,

If the content was out of date content, by definition it cannot be endgame content. End of story.

linay isn't arguing that just running Sastasha in of itself is endgame content, but that any dungeon you get during the levelling roulette is endgame content during that roulette and shes right, plenty of games ask you to run non max level or out of date content as part of endgame for quests or other forms of progression.

Another mistake is present here. The duty roulette finished the moment it chose a dungeon for you, running the dungeon isn't participating in the roulette. The roulette spun, it chose a dungeon for you, that is the roulette finished. That's what you do when you run the duty roulette. You don't run a dungeon as part of a roulette, the roulette is done.

So the idea that the dungeon is endgame content during the roulette is a silly idea. The roulette finished before you entered the dungeon.

Also she's wrong.

Also I'd like to point out that under this narrow view we're all still using, the currently Ultimate's, the most challenging content currently in the game still doesn't count as endgame, which I find laughable given the "I want challenging endgame!" Well, there it sits.

This narrow view is the only acceptable view inside the MMO genre. So … get used to hearing it I suppose *shrugs*

[Zabuza]

Amazing. 118 pages in and people are still trying to say Satasha is endgame. It doesn't matter at this point whether the OP specified what he wanted to your liking in the original post. Point is, he and others have long since done so now. So why are people pretending they still don't know what he is asking for and playing ignorant just to deny the simple truth in front of them? People shouldn't be able to clear 1-3 in a week with pugs. An entire raid tier should not be cleared in 35 hours. The world firsts cleared it in 18, I believe it was. Why do you guys so vehemently deny this, STILL? I'm honestly not sure who these posters are trying to fool at this point with their little act.

[BlitzAceRush]

Another mistake is present here. The duty roulette finished the moment it chose a dungeon for you, running the dungeon isn't participating in the roulette. The roulette spun, it chose a dungeon for you, that is the roulette finished. That's what you do when you run the duty roulette. You don't run a dungeon as part of a roulette, the roulette is done.

So the idea that the dungeon is endgame content during the roulette is a silly idea. The roulette finished before you entered the dungeon.

Also she's wrong.

Except if you were to leave or fail the dungeon it gave you, you wound't get the reward and the roulette would count as incomplete, you're saying simply choosing the dungeon is the end of the endgame activity but to get the endgame reward, you have to do the dungeon thus the roulette isn't finished until you clear the dungeon it presents you with.
Unless you're telling me I've been doing it wrong all these years and true masters of endgame leave the dungeon as soon as it selects one for them?