Customizable pronouns

[Krotoan]

So.. real question here.. how many people would actually use this feature? Be honest. Any change to the entire game requires investment of resources no matter how small you may think it is. And this is far more than most people seem to think.. This game has DAYS of text to pour through and rework, in English alone.

This is a localization nightmare btw.

Serious question. How many people in this thread, not virtue signaling, would actually mess around with the pronoun thing longer than they did picking their "birthday" in this game? And not cause it'd be funny have everyone call you "zer". Seriously it would make this game better for you, that kind of "use".


Not "I support..." or "people should.. " but "I would definitely use this and not just because it's there, it is a feature I desire". OP is 1..

[Komarimono]

Binary gender as you've been taught is mostly a very Western notion and relatively fairly modern. Indigenous cultures prior to the colonization of the Americas included genders that didn't fit the traditional Western male or female model, for instance. In medieval Europe, there is evidence that gender lines were crossed or at the very least blurrier than what we enforce today, depending on culture.

It's also very weird to see this notion of Japanese culture not having nonbinary people. Nonbinary Japanese do exist. They navigate their culture differently than we Americans do ours, but they do exist. Japan is not a monolithic ultra-conservative culture. Like any other nation, Japan is inhabited by people of all stripes that each have to navigate the rules of their dominant culture differently. Yoshi P is clearly aware trans people exist. I have no doubt he's aware of nonbinary people too. It's not gonna be a mysterious and mythical thing for a Japanese person.

Yes, we do exist.
But the difference is most of us are not flaunting it like it's something special or wanting attention for it. If you need to rely on someones words to set your self worth instead of relying on yourself and actions to do so, you've already lost in life and you're being self entitled more then the other if prefer to have these pronouns used.

We're human beings and words are not what treats us different but the actions of others for or against you in life. Quit using emotions to control your life, start using that wonderful powerful organ in your head and start treating it better as well. This whole movement to make others include people like myself and others in far and expansive ways since the population of people like me is less then 4% of the entire world, is just so odd. I don't want people bending over backwards for me, I don't want them to do anything other then treat me the same way I treat them. And I sure as heck don't get offended if they refer to me by a pronoun that I emotionally feel does not fit my non binary gender.

I'm not special, just me. No LGBTQ+infinite is special. We're as human as anyone else, simple as that. Just go on with your life and quit expecting the world to treat us better for no reason. Quit using your sexuality define you, humans are far more then that and limiting them otherwise is silly.

[Granyala]

Yes, we do exist.

Thank you for writing that.
People need to see this.
This is how I want any non binary gender person to behave.

[Siete]

Yes, we do exist.
But the difference is most of us are not flaunting it like it's something special or wanting attention for it. If you need to rely on someones words to set your self worth instead of relying on yourself and actions to do so, you've already lost in life and you're being self entitled more then the other if prefer to have these pronouns used.

We're human beings and words are not what treats us different but the actions of others for or against you in life. Quit using emotions to control your life, start using that wonderful powerful organ in your head and start treating it better as well. This whole movement to make others include people like myself and others in far and expansive ways since the population of people like me is less then 4% of the entire world, is just so odd. I don't want people bending over backwards for me, I don't want them to do anything other then treat me the same way I treat them. And I sure as heck don't get offended if they refer to me by a pronoun that I emotionally feel does not fit my non binary gender.

I'm not special, just me. No LGBTQ+infinite is special. We're as human as anyone else, simple as that. Just go on with your life and quit expecting the world to treat us better for no reason. Quit using your sexuality define you, humans are far more then that and limiting them otherwise is silly.

A thousand times this, I'm pretty much non-binary IRL and that I hold just for me, I don't give a *beep* about how others see me or refer to me, heck most of the times people misspell my real name simply because how weird it is and I'm kept being called whatever that is not my name lol.

[Shougun]

Simple, we're not 24/7 at 100% brain activity thinking everything we do, our brains have premade paths of neural thinking and reacting created by repetition repetition repetition and repetition. So we're mostly on automode, otherwise our brains would literally boil.
So, when we talk, much of what we spew is made by this auto-mode.
If you want people to use those "new" ways of reffering to someone, they have to get those neural patterns remade. Which by the way, it's quite taxing, energy demanding and mildly painful. Just like studying.
Basically, it's a huge effort, you should be enormously thankful to people who make such a titanic task as rewiring their neuronal network just so you hear the "right" word when they talk to you.

I'm reminded of someone I've known for a long time changing their name. Definitely messes with the flow for a while, and I still mess it up lol. But they're patient and never give me grief or attempt to correct me and I always correct myself.

Also beyond names though gender's definition seems to be called into question more so than in the loose assumed past (wasn't really any wiggle room or allowed discussion on it), some see it more of a state of mind and others a state of biology. Unfortunately for both parties who both want to be right there is the issue that language is not distinctly prescriptive. . . A bit like living culture. So even if it was supposed to be X or should be X doesn't mean it will be once the majority adopt a meaning.

A minor silly example to me is I know the group words for many animals but I don't use them because I feel it's silly and would like to promote simpler groupings, as cool as a murder of crows sounds I feel it's not helpful for the language and so I "do my part" in helping that continue to become archaic (like when corrected by someone suggesting to use the animal group word I'd say thanks and then continue not to use that word lol).

I'm pretty sure it's only hard to call someone "they" if you're stubborn and refuse to change your ways. It's actually pretty easy. If you care enough about showing everyone the minimum amount of respect to call them the right name, pronouns, etc., then it's not hard. Saying it's too difficult shows a lack of respect under most circumstances (unless you have some sort of condition that may make such things more difficult, but most people don't).

The issue there is that respect is not always a universal value (subjective). I think a nice example is if someone says "if you don't believe in my god you don't respect me, this is how I view life, how I view the world, everything - it's clearly important to my existence as a person". Honestly that could be a form of disrespect, to them, if you don't show the respect they ask. But especially in the world of religion I would say as a society we know that you don't have to follow their rituals in order to respect them as a person, that you can respect someone of a different religion while also thinking it's false, thinking nothing of it, or worse. Keeping in mind for some religion is a core part of their existence/identity.

So if they ask a person to call them something that the other person doesn't want to, it doesn't demand that it's necessarily disrespect (to the person whose not doing the request, of course the person who's request ignored might feel differently). Or like if your friend asks if the pants make their bum look big, would it be disrespectful to tell the truth? For some no, for others yes. In fact sometimes we have cases where pain is a form of respect "should I tell my friend's partner that my friend is cheating on them?" - it doesn't have to be disrespect to tell the partner the truth (could even say you're respecting your friend by encouraging them to be a better person).

I think the subjectivity is a bit self evident but just wanted to say it because I feel sometimes the respect aspect is brought up as if it was the same truth for everyone. For some, in their own mind, they could refuse to say what you want and still respect you greatly.

Personally I tend to enjoy a relationship of give and take, so I'd use they as a symbol of give but also expect the same sort of flexibility back. If asked to do something then I would find it fair play space (within reason lol). Like I dislike the whole "white cishet male" thing, I know for some it's just a description and nothing more (not intended to be rude, though I feel some use it like a negative. . which is part of why I probably find it annoying), as to me I'm not just my gender or color and I don't want to be labeled or addressed as such (I've been introduced almost as if that was part of my title or name and I asked for them not to do that, which they obliged and of course I thanked them).

[cinnamonoreo]

Yes, we do exist.
But the difference is most of us are not flaunting it like it's something special or wanting attention for it. If you need to rely on someones words to set your self worth instead of relying on yourself and actions to do so, you've already lost in life and you're being self entitled more then the other if prefer to have these pronouns used.

We're human beings and words are not what treats us different but the actions of others for or against you in life. Quit using emotions to control your life, start using that wonderful powerful organ in your head and start treating it better as well. This whole movement to make others include people like myself and others in far and expansive ways since the population of people like me is less then 4% of the entire world, is just so odd. I don't want people bending over backwards for me, I don't want them to do anything other then treat me the same way I treat them. And I sure as heck don't get offended if they refer to me by a pronoun that I emotionally feel does not fit my non binary gender.

I'm not special, just me. No LGBTQ+infinite is special. We're as human as anyone else, simple as that. Just go on with your life and quit expecting the world to treat us better for no reason. Quit using your sexuality define you, humans are far more then that and limiting them otherwise is silly.

That's cool. That's you. I'm mostly the same but with the sole exception that I prefer people refer to me using they/them pronouns in English. Am I gonna pitch a fit if someone calls me she instead? No. Most of the time, it's a stranger and I'm not going to see them again. It just makes me a lot happier to be included. It's not bending over backwards any more than using binary pronouns already is for most people.

Being nonbinary is not a sexuality. It's a gender identity, which is separate. This "wonderful powerful organ" in my head is most pleased when people at least make the attempt to use gender neutral pronouns. I'm simply asking this game, which tickles my "wonderful power organ", make a change that would make this game better for me. We may be a small part of the world, but that doesn't make us less important or deserving to be ignored.

[cinnamonoreo]

Thank you for writing that.
People need to see this.
This is how I want any non binary gender person to behave.

In other words, you want us to be invisible so you can pretend we don't exist? Purely for your benefit?

[Siete]

In other words, you want us to be invisible so you can pretend we don't exist? Purely for your benefit?

What do you mean invisible?
Are you a person or are you just the concept of non-binary? Because you seem more concerned about the concept than yourself.

Also, I'm sorry, but your "wonderful powerful organ" must understand that the world we live in and the world in the game are completely different things, and as far as we know "males" could be laying eggs in the world of FFXIV after holding hands or something.

[VillainQueen]

In other words, you want us to be invisible so you can pretend we don't exist? Purely for your benefit?

Like you want to have others go out of their way for your benefit?

[Vahlnir]

Yes, we do exist.
But the difference is most of us are not flaunting it like it's something special or wanting attention for it. If you need to rely on someones words to set your self worth instead of relying on yourself and actions to do so, you've already lost in life and you're being self entitled more then the other if prefer to have these pronouns used.

We're human beings and words are not what treats us different but the actions of others for or against you in life. Quit using emotions to control your life, start using that wonderful powerful organ in your head and start treating it better as well. This whole movement to make others include people like myself and others in far and expansive ways since the population of people like me is less then 4% of the entire world, is just so odd. I don't want people bending over backwards for me, I don't want them to do anything other then treat me the same way I treat them. And I sure as heck don't get offended if they refer to me by a pronoun that I emotionally feel does not fit my non binary gender.

I'm not special, just me. No LGBTQ+infinite is special. We're as human as anyone else, simple as that. Just go on with your life and quit expecting the world to treat us better for no reason. Quit using your sexuality define you, humans are far more then that and limiting them otherwise is silly.

Always great to see someone like yourself with a good head on your shoulders.