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    Player DonovanLifeweaver's Avatar
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    Vormav Tengille
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    Spend 5% of your HP, to gain a shield of 25% HP.
    Spend 10% of your HP, to fill up a gauge. As long as the gauge has something in it, you have a constant -X% dmg taken (like a tank stance)
    -X% hp, to mitigate X% of an enemies damage.
    etc
    Anything that gives more survival, than what you are losing.
    Its no different than when tanks turned tank stance off, to gain more offense.
    Yet as "stupid" as it sounds, it was the correct direction to min/max.

    all of which requires you to not press certain actions when too low on HP.
    Is it harder to do? yeah. But thats the playstyle the OP wants.
    SE didnt want harder, they wanted easier. They already knew it could be done, but didnt want to go that route.
    optionj 1 to 3 kills scholar bubble
    ask for an adjustment to tena to make it a viable stats so we can stack suvival instead of dps
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    Hede Devaul
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    Mateus
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    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Nope. I've played FF IV a LOT and Cecil doesn't do this. He casts some damaging spells (Fire - For example) but that's it.

    He uses "Black Magic" hence Dark. When he becomes a Paladin he uses "White Magic" that's all it is.

    Darkness takes up HP, to deal damage.
    I cant remember if it was called that, or Soul Eater in the SNES version.
    EDIT: SNES version was "Dark Wave" (and no, he didnt have black magic. Only in the NES version of FF3 did Magic Knights have Black magic (and white magic) which was replaced with soul eater in the DS versions.

    If i remember correctly, one of the SNES versions was glitched, so it doesnt eat his HP. most likely the US version. This may be why you dont know about it, since you may have only played the US SNES version. (The original JP version took HP. Plus the US team felt the need to tamper with a lot of stuff, like removing Rosas Pray ability, boss mechanics, etc)
    The remakes fixed this glitch. (maybe intentional by the US team)
    EDIT: seems i was beaten to the punch by the others lol

    Quote Originally Posted by DonovanLifeweaver View Post
    option 1 to 3 kills scholar bubble
    ask for an adjustment to tenacity to make it a viable stats so we can stack survival instead of dps
    Currently a SCH/AST bubble gets eaten before TBN does.
    So its currently possible to reorder the priorities to eat HP before temp HP, based on the games current programming.

    As for tenacity, it does need a slight buff, but not too much, it still needs to be less than the other options.
    It would be possible to "balance it" based on a tank buff that raises their own Tenacity by a %.
    As a replacement to some other forms of mitigation. It would end up being used like Vengeance, as an offensive skill, but can still double as a defensive skill.
    Make it an ability unique to one job, and it helps bring some variance in the jobs materia options.
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    Last edited by MaraD_; 07-27-2019 at 10:07 AM.

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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    If i remember correctly, one of the SNES versions was glitched, so it doesnt eat his HP. most likely the US version.
    The US version, "Final Fantasy II" removed this skill, alongside some skills from Rosa and Yang
    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    As for tenacity, it does need a slight buff, but not too much, it still needs to be less than the other options.
    For me, mitigation skills should have a potency, and scale on Tenacity. After all, offensive and healing skills works that way, why not mitigation ?
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    Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

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    Hede Devaul
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    Fisher Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    For me, mitigation skills should have a potency, and scale on Tenacity. After all, offensive and healing skills works that way, why not mitigation ?
    And Defense/MDef
    Basically TBN, Thrill, Foresight, were all the propper ways to handle mitigation.
    Rampart, Hallowed Ground, and Sentinel were the worst possible ways to handle mitigation. (plus Shield Oath in some ways)

    This butchered possible tank builds, due to making everything need to match those skills. It should have never been based on enemy stats, but instead on the tanks gear/stats.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    For me, mitigation skills should have a potency, and scale on Tenacity. After all, offensive and healing skills works that way, why not mitigation ?
    This. Would be nice to see mitigation improve as gear does, rather than only become less significant with increased ilvl relative to a static-difficulty fight. Healing scales up, damage scales up, but mitigation just stays put and thereby devalues.
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