What about creating an ACTUAL Dark Knight?

[Nephyleem]

You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

Does is speaks to anybody?
Or is that just me? '^'

[armandojc3]

You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

Does is speaks to anybody?
Or is that just me? '^'

given how DRK works and will probably continue to work, this is most likely never going to happen. The only "DARK" move he has is livng dead but then again GNB kinda has the same thing.

[ReiMakoto]

They wanted DRK to be a tank, so HP sacrificing moves were out the window. They do have a few lifestealy things like abyssal drain, soul eater, and they used to have sole survivor too.

[MagiusNecros]

You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

Does is speaks to anybody?
Or is that just me? '^'

They are too scared and pathetic to consider HP costing abilities. They seem to be less interested in risk and reward and rather have a borefest that leads to high risk no reward.

I think they want the class fantasy to be basically everything you try to do is unfair to you.

[armandojc3]

They are too scared and pathetic to consider HP costing abilities. They seem to be less interested in risk and reward and rather have a borefest that leads to high risk no reward.

I think they want the class fantasy to be basically everything you try to do is unfair to you.

FFXIV, sadly, does not have a high risk high reward concept. The hardest classes to master are not stronger at all if used optimally, hell quite often they are weaker.

[Nephyleem]

They wanted DRK to be a tank, so HP sacrificing moves were out the window. They do have a few lifestealy things like abyssal drain, soul eater, and they used to have sole survivor too.

I don't see why it have to be thrown out of the window, if the benefit you get from the sacrifice is worthy enough. (Example, paying 10% HP to get a 15~20% HP shield)
Also, what they had, and more specially what they have NOW, is FAR from what we could call useful life-stealing. It's a joke. Even the Gunbreaker's Brutal Shell is better at it.

[MagiusNecros]

I don't see why it have to be thrown out of the window, if the benefit you get from the sacrifice is worthy enough. (Example, paying 10% HP to get a 15~20% HP shield)
Also, what they had, and more specially what they have NOW, is FAR from what we could call useful life-stealing. It's a joke. Even the Gunbreaker's Brutal Shell is better at it.

Only time sustain was any fun IMO was HW Abyssal Drain and SB Steel Cyclone.

The funsies are gone now.

[Valic]

given how DRK works and will probably continue to work, this is most likely never going to happen. The only "DARK" move he has is livng dead but then again GNB kinda has the same thing.

I'm beginning to think you haven't actually leveled GNB to know how these 2 jobs actually differ...


As for a berserk type job. I've been saying for a while now we should have them be an MP zerker, having a low amount increases your dps and unlocks skills for dealing damage but having more MP results in having mitigation based skills, support, and utility for the group. Just give us a ton of MP heavy skills, MP regen skills, and base their effects around what they provide, make it so the lower we are the more we lose yourself in dps while the higher, the more conscious of saving people we are. At least then it can still maintain being a tank.

[Giubba]

You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

Does is speaks to anybody?
Or is that just me? '^'

Yeah i could agree with you on the principle of the matter but considering it would be a living nightmare balance a tank based on that mechanic it will never happen

[armandojc3]

I'm beginning to think you haven't actually leveled GNB to know how these 2 jobs actually differ...

Superbolide sacrifices all your health to make you invincible for a while. Is that not what we are discussing here?. Dark Knight like moves?.