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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephyleem View Post
    You know, these "high-risk high-reward" tanky jobs that sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves or deliver strong blows?
    That literally steals vitality from their foes to survive?
    Makes shield out of their foes' blood?
    That do ACTUAL DARK STUFF.

    Does is speaks to anybody?
    Or is that just me? '^'
    You do realize that the "Actual" Dark Knight is Cecil from Final Fantasy 4 - Who literally does none of those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    You do realize that the "Actual" Dark Knight is Cecil from Final Fantasy 4 - Who literally does none of those things.
    jobs that sacrifices their own HP to ... deliver strong blows?
    Fairly sure this one is true about cecil.
    The rest is based on other iterations of DRK in either mainline or spinoff titles.
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    Last edited by MaraD_; 07-27-2019 at 03:13 AM.

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    With that genius Cecil quote we can close this useless thread. See ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    Fairly sure this one is true about cecil.
    The rest is based on other iterations of DRK in either mainline or spinoff titles.
    Nope. I've played FF IV a LOT and Cecil doesn't do this. He casts some damaging spells (Fire - For example) but that's it.

    He uses "Black Magic" hence Dark. When he becomes a Paladin he uses "White Magic" that's all it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Nope. I've played FF IV a LOT and Cecil doesn't do this. He casts some damaging spells (Fire - For example) but that's it.
    He uses "Black Magic" hence Dark. When he becomes a Paladin he uses "White Magic" that's all it is.
    No, Cecil doesn't use any Black Magic. However, he uses Darkness/Souleater that sacrifice its HP...unless you've played FF IV Easy Type, that removed all of his skills.
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    Y: I usually compare FFXIV with a theme park, but the Forbidden Land of Eureka won’t be a place where everyone would want to go. For example, there are people who don’t want to go to horror houses because they don’t see the point in getting scared on purpose. For example, on a date, the boyfriend might want to invite the girlfriend to go the horror house, but the girlfriend just doesn’t seem to find it fun. In other words, it’s not like everyone wants to go to the horror house, but there are people who just love the adrenalin rush they get from it. Think of Eureka as something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HWalsh View Post
    Nope. I've played FF IV a LOT and Cecil doesn't do this. He casts some damaging spells (Fire - For example) but that's it.

    He uses "Black Magic" hence Dark. When he becomes a Paladin he uses "White Magic" that's all it is.
    FF4 is my favourite FF title alongside FF6. Like others have said Cecil as a DRK does indeed use HP-sacrificing moves and doesn't use any black magic. Cecil is also not the first Dark Knight to appear in the franchise but he was the inspiration for every subsequent iterations since he was the first to use HP-sacrificing moves (FF3 DRK had that only in its remake, the original NES one used white magic while wielding katanas, and FF2 DRK is just a title for Leon since jobs don't exist in this game).
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    Keep in mind FFXIV spins jobs to fit the mmo too... this is another case of "it will NOT be exact but it can be a good representation".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephyleem View Post
    sacrifices their own HP to protect themselves
    That makes no sense whatsoever in a tanking scenario. =p
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExLegen View Post
    That makes no sense whatsoever in a tanking scenario. =p
    Spend 5% of your HP, to gain a shield of 25% HP.
    Spend 10% of your HP, to fill up a gauge. As long as the gauge has something in it, you have a constant -X% dmg taken (like a tank stance)
    -X% hp, to mitigate X% of an enemies damage.
    etc
    Anything that gives more survival, than what you are losing.
    Its no different than when tanks turned tank stance off, to gain more offense.
    Yet as "stupid" as it sounds, it was the correct direction to min/max.

    all of which requires you to not press certain actions when too low on HP.
    Is it harder to do? yeah. But thats the playstyle the OP wants.
    SE didnt want harder, they wanted easier. They already knew it could be done, but didnt want to go that route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaraD_ View Post
    Spend 5% of your HP, to gain a shield of 25% HP.
    Spend 10% of your HP, to fill up a gauge. As long as the gauge has something in it, you have a constant -X% dmg taken (like a tank stance)
    -X% hp, to mitigate X% of an enemies damage.
    etc
    Anything that gives more survival, than what you are losing.
    Its no different than when tanks turned tank stance off, to gain more offense.
    Yet as "stupid" as it sounds, it was the correct direction to min/max.

    all of which requires you to not press certain actions when too low on HP.
    Is it harder to do? yeah. But thats the playstyle the OP wants.
    SE didnt want harder, they wanted easier. They already knew it could be done, but didnt want to go that route.
    optionj 1 to 3 kills scholar bubble
    ask for an adjustment to tena to make it a viable stats so we can stack suvival instead of dps
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