Why are white mages allergic to regen?

[Rilifane]

Pretty much this. I mostly use Regen when I have to move anyway.

Yeah, same here.
Regen is my go-to GCD for when I have to move. Positining for Holy spam, running towards the boss, avoiding telegraphs, readjusting my position to have everyone in heal range etc. But I'll not mindlessy keep it up.
It's a really good GCD until the mid 50s. But even without Tetra and Benison, Assize, Asylum and Bene alone make for a sizeable amount of oGCD healing which often lets you skip on the GCD for Regen.

[Sylve]

Can we trade places?
Healers keep regening me as I'm pulling, and stealing my aggro.

Tanks adjust.

[Fynlar]

Some people here either don't heal or tank or both.

Yikes at tanks still losing threat to Regen. Tank ranged skill does stupid amounts of threat, use it and cycle through targets while moving.

Given your critique about people not healing and tanking (which I gather to mean that you have done both) I would have thought you'd be more cognizant of this issue.

It's not really that they're "losing threat" to regen; they could make tank actions pull infinite enmity and the issue would still remain.

The "losing threat" is just healers drawing initial aggro on mobs when the tank tries to pull a fresh pack but either uses a single target action like Shield Lob to do it or they fail to hit all of the enemies with their AoE attack (which often happens specifically as a result of a healer pulling initial aggro with regen) and therefore a tank expecting the enemies to move toward him might move in a totally different direction and they end up missing some of them with their AoE. Tank AoEs are not very large and without good practice it is easy to miss some incoming enemies with them (lag can also be a factor too)

[Rilifane]

Given your critique about people not healing and tanking (which I gather to mean that you have done both) I would have thought you'd be more cognizant of this issue.

It's not really that they're "losing threat" to regen; they could make tank actions pull infinite enmity and the issue would still remain.

The "losing threat" is just healers drawing initial aggro on mobs when the tank tries to pull a fresh pack but either uses a single target action like Shield Lob to do it or they fail to hit all of the enemies with their AoE attack (which often happens specifically as a result of a healer pulling initial aggro with regen, and therefore a tank expecting the enemies to move toward him might move in a totally different direction and avoid their AoE)

That's not the healer's fault for using Regen, though. It's the healer's fault for not tailing the tank.

[GrizzlyTank]

Unfortunately White mages have recently discovered that regen is in fact not restorative magic... It is actually time magic...

That is right, the accelerated healing is not because you are getting healed, it is because you are ageing faster.

[NekoNova]

I've legit seen a WHM drop dead because he cast Regen.
Might have been bad positioning, but is it worth the gamble?
I'd rather not take my chances with allergic shock cause of the Regen spell...

[Fynlar]

That's not the healer's fault for using Regen, though. It's the healer's fault for not tailing the tank.

I'm not trying to attribute "blame" here either way. I'm merely trying to clear up the "lost threat" aspect of it, which doesn't really paint an accurate picture of what's actually occurring when healers end up drawing initial aggro as a result of HoTs (specifically, tanks do not "lose threat" in these scenarios because they had zero threat built up to begin with)

The suggestion that the whole "pulling aggro with HoTs" issue should be resolved by the fact that tanks have much more enmity on their actions now actually suggests that there is a misunderstanding of what the issue was caused by in the first place. As I said, it would not matter if they made tank attacks pull infinite enmity, if the tank for whatever reason doesn't actually hit all of the enemies with their attack, which is the only reason that HoTs have ever pulled aggro in the first place.

[Rilifane]

I'm not trying to attribute "blame" here either way. I'm merely trying to clear up the "lost threat" aspect of it, which doesn't really paint an accurate picture of what's actually occurring when healers end up drawing initial aggro as a result of HoTs (specifically, tanks do not "lose threat" in these scenarios because they had zero threat built up to begin with)

It doesn't sounded like you wanted to blame anyone, I just wanted to clear this up. Though the healer actually is to blame, just not for what some people think.
I think it's far better to teach people how to proporly use mid-pull Regen instead of silently being annoyed, macroing it off or telling WHm "you don't use Regen pre-pull, never, don't, just stop". If I have a healer doing this but handling it poorly, I simply tell them that while it's okay to do it, they need to stay really close to me in case some of the things you mentioned happened.
It's for their own safety and there is no reason to stand miles away from the tank.

[Hezzlocks]

That's not the healer's fault for using Regen, though. It's the healer's fault for not tailing the tank.

That isn't really the point. The point is that healers shouldn't be using Regen before the pull anyway. Often enough mobs are spread out enough that the tank isn't able to tag them all in a single hit, and this what *should* be a clean pull is now cleanup control. The issue is further compounded when the tank is intending to pull several packs. The more mobs that slip past the tank because Regen pulled enmity onto the healer before the tank could tag em, the higher the likelyhood of the healer just straight up dieing.

Now, sometimes, sure, the tank is squishy and is getting ahead of himself pulling more than he can handle and the healler needs to throw a heal on him to keep him alive. You can't help bad tanks like that. But typically they know what they're doing and can handle the light taps of the mobs as they run through and don't need a heal until they're done with the pull.

[Fynlar]

It doesn't sounded like you wanted to blame anyone, I just wanted to clear this up. Though the healer actually is to blame, just not for what some people think.
I think it's far better to teach people how to proporly use mid-pull Regen instead of silently being annoyed, macroing it off or telling WHm "you don't use Regen pre-pull, never, don't, just stop". If I have a healer doing this but handling it poorly, I simply tell them that while it's okay to do it, they need to stay really close to me in case some of the things you mentioned happened.
It's for their own safety and there is no reason to stand miles away from the tank.

Every tank has their own way of dealing with this.

Personally, I don't have the patience to try to say anything to any healer who does pre-pull regens because whenever I have in the past, not ONCE have they ever acknowledged it or made any adjustments to their behavior. I also don't care enough (or have the space on my tank crossbars) to make a "HoT removal" macro. Therefore, I just deal with it, and keep trying to pull as well as I can, and if the healer occasionally takes some knocks on a pull for it, well, thems the breaks.

Only if they complain about it (which is rare unless it somehow gets them killed, which for me only tends to happen in situations like Deep Dungeon where mobs on the higher floors can and will kill unprepared non-tanks on pull) will I bother saying something like "well, you kinda asked for it..."