Gunbreaker is more Siefer than Squall. A disappointing realization.

[Valic]

This is interesting. For the most part of my gaming experience in FF 14 currently, i have met wonderful players who really back and forth and share in a debate or discussion, a single post on the forums however proves something different.

Having aggressive individuals like Val calling anyone who disagrees or has an issue with someone whiney be compelled without reason to go on a rant, or have others in the forums suggest that this is complaining, or whining is pretty unusual for this game.

Maybe i haven't been here long enough to experience all that the forums have to offer but let me be clear:

1) Squall is the iconic character for FF8, Seifer is a side character, and while it would be great if he and squall shared the limelight they do not. Though i love and respect that a lot of fans can appreciate both.
2) Since fans can appreciate both, then my question is why not have the animations favor both styles.
3) the OG post suggested/requested the idea of having a sort of technique alignment or choice in the future. Where if you chose to fight like squall your animations would reflect as such, if you chose to fight like siefer you animations would reflect as such.

There is no reason why the fans shouldn't have both, no damage change required, no adjustments, just animation alterations.

My thoughts initially are that i am turned off by the class because it doesnt reflect the image of the gunblade wielder i associate it with, and i am aware this is a lot of "i" but i am not alone in this.
Those who like Seifer i love that you do, and i would honestly prefer that you are able to keep that. but Squall is the core, the animations should have the ability to reflect both at the very least, not just hints of it.

It's because of individuals like you that whine about something that doesn't need to be changed that you ruined the job for everyone else. We don't need anymore. Be satisfied with your lot or take a hike, same as any other job.

Lemme point out why this is awful to ask for again per point here. Because you're taking mass offense tht this game isn't your childhood memories.

1) That's fine, Neither of those characters exist here, they never will unless we somehow get a crossover event like with Lightning. Their skillset is driven entirely into the Gunbreaker's skills, all of their limit breaks and skills have been given MMO format so you can enjoy a GUNBLADE in an mmo, something you rarely ever get to do or see in any MMO at all. They have nice animations, they play just as Yoshida described as you pressing the trigger after skills, have nice animations, HAD beautiful sounds, and have many references to FF8 and even FF13. It's a gunblade, it's not JUST ff8 here, its FF14, the fact we got it at all should be enouogh coupled with it getting all the limit break names for skills given form.

2) Because it already does and you're still complaining about it.

3) That's unnecessary development and work the developers don't need to waste time on. You do this, every other job will ask why they don't have "styles more similar to DRK for Cecil" or "styles more similar to this for that". That is dumb and a waste of time when the job is fine as it is. I'd rather they put resources to fixing the job's sounds back and working on other content we can enjoy in the future, as well as future skills for the GNB in the next expansion. <--- you'll see later here OP praises someone for saying this but ignores that I ever said this LOL.

There's PLENTY of reason fans can't have both, stop being selfish and accept your lot as it is. Do you even realize how hard it is to animate 6 races, 2 genders each, code this into the game, then somehow manage to code an option to change the entirety of the job's animations and also reflect to each user's screen on an MMO? You realize how hard it was to get performance on bard right?

And again, they already reflect both. We got Seifer's aoe's, we got squall's blasting zone and fated circle, we got our renzokuken combo, we even got DRAW AND JUNCTION AS AN ANIMATION. Stop whining.

[Jaydarksol]

I keep seeing disappointing being thrown around a lot. Disappointing story, disappointing X, Y Z. Are you really disappointed or is there no other word for how you feel?

I love the look of Gunbreaker, and FF8 was always my favorite of the entire series. I really wanted to play it, but there was something really off about it, i couldn't put my finger on what that was till i was sitting there watching the animations, i went back to old FF8 clips and realized it was the fact it was a 1 hand fighter instead of the iconic 2h fighitng.

I was legitimately disappointed because the feel of the weapon isnt represented in the animations, it looks more like a single bladed/dagger cliche swing, than something that really carries weight.
I was actually pretty happy when i realized it was Seifer's stance but i was disappointed that it wasnt the Squall strikes that i really fell in love with.

I remember as a kid in my woodworking class i attempted to make a gunblade out of wood, i got the outline correct but always messed up on the barrel lol.

[Valic]

I love the look of Gunbreaker, and FF8 was always my favorite of the entire series. I really wanted to play it, but there was something really off about it, i couldn't put my finger on what that was till i was sitting there watching the animations, i went back to old FF8 clips and realized it was the fact it was a 1 hand fighter instead of the iconic 2h fighitng.

I was legitimately disappointed because the feel of the weapon isnt represented in the animations, it looks more like a single bladed/dagger cliche swing, than something that really carries weight.
I was actually pretty happy when i realized it was Seifer's stance but i was disappointed that it wasnt the Squall strikes that i really fell in love with.

I remember as a kid in my woodworking class i attempted to make a gunblade out of wood, i got the outline correct but always messed up on the barrel lol.

It never had that much weight; it just took finesse to wield because of it not being like a standard sword, it was swift like gunblades should be. Check footage of Lightning and Squall, all of Squall's renzokuken combos, Lightning's attacks, Seifer's even, they're all swift, not heavy greatswords. That's cute for your childhood, I also bought Squall's gunblade in a random shop that you can actually pull the trigger on and make the revolver part work. I love this job and how it feels, its satisfying and its FF14's interpretation of it, just how everything else in this game is added. DRK isn't even using a spear like Cecil but people still love DRK's everything. RDM got a rapier and crystal, never seen that before. Again, your childhood is clouding the reality, developers have time/money, they made a good job, they shouldn't bother tweaking it for a very few minority because they can't get over their childhood, it already has enough of FF8 focus in it. FF14 made a creative take on it and it works perfectly, go play FF8 if you want FF8. Go play Dissidia for a bit if you want to be Squall. This is a job for a large group of players playing gunbreaker, not just you, not just Squall, not just those who played FF8.

[Jaydarksol]

@Val

I am very sorry that you believe i am taking offense to anything. on the contrary you are the one using an aggressive approach which leads me to believe you have some belief that your input is somehow important enough to try and push anothers down. Its not.
Noone is forced to be satisfied with what we have, we can voice our opinions and speak to our hearts content, this is the entire purpose of the forums, you are not employed by the company and have no right to attempt to shove someone off by suggesting i take it or leave.

Your list is relatively warped:

1) I am pleased to know Yoshida believes this playing how it should be, never denied or suggested otherwise. The fact that squall's attire/gunblade are in game suggest influence. If the creators wanted an entirely knew thing and didn't want the association, none of that would be in game. Do you see "Seifer's iconic gunblade makes its appearence" anywhere? no it states "Squalls iconic gunblade makes its appearance" because they knew what character the gunblade was attached to. Simple as that.

2) From what i can see, the animations heavily favor the 1h strikes and there are mere hints of 2h animation. not the same. Not complaining when stating facts.

3) Sure ill agree its potentially necessary development, but i do not believe it is a waste of time, you mention a lot of the sound change, you moan and groan about it for the past few posts. The fact the developers did this indicates 2 things.

1) they are listening to their players when they are interested in seeing something altered.
2) things can change

It suggesting something is unnecessary is not for you to decide, so instead i will continue to suggest and i encourage others to continue to suggest ideas or changes, and maybe some will stick, most wont. but you have 0 right to believe you are the voice of the developers.

unfortunately the selfish one here is you, and i am sorry to say but i dont know how you came about thinking you were important enough to tell others what they can or cant do, but you dont represent this community, and the community ive witnessed in game. I feel very sorry for you if you think otherwise.

[Savagelf]

first off lightning didn't have a gun blade she had flip out straight sword and a shield a really cool shield might I add.

yes the blade is base Squall and Siefer though I not sure I agree stance between combat the arm would surely get tire hold above your head. just picture hold oyu phone up to your ear. hold blade out in one hand I don't think it would

[Jaydarksol]

It never had weight, it was swift like gunblades should be. Check footage of Lightning and Squall, all of Squall's renzokuken combos, Lightning's attacks, Seifer's even, they're all swift, not heavy greatswords. That's cute for your childhood, I also bought Squall's gunblade in a random shop that you can actually pull the trigger on and make the revolver part work. I love this job and how it feels, its satisfying and its FF14's interpretation of it, just how everything else in this game is added. DRK isn't even using a spear like Cecil but people still love DRK's everything. RDM got a rapier and crystal, never seen that before. Again, your childhood is clouding the reality, developers have time/money, they made a good job, they shouldn't bother tweaking it for a very few minority because they can't get over their childhood, it already has enough of FF8 focus in it. FF14 made a creative take on it and it works perfectly, go play FF8 if you want FF8. Go play Dissidia for a bit if you want to be Squall. This is a job for a large group of players playing gunbreaker, not just you, not just Squall, not just those who played FF8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G6p4W5cMXg shows much heavier blows
for the one youre suggesting the attacks are one handed and i will go as far as say maybe thats what the developer was truly going for if the concept of Dissidia is canon. Which i can accept if it was.

However this still isnt solidified, so the original is something that is a bit more dominant. Something that most fans remember. I will not attempt to speak for all as there are younger ones who love the character but may not have played the original.

[Valic]

@Val
*snip*too long.

Tbh its because everyone's sick of people QQ'ing and messing up something for their own selfish agenda. You can find millions of new threads both here and on the JP forums complaining about this x4 as much as people originally were about something so mundane. We're kinda sick of hearing from nostalgia driven players always asking for a change so they can be 100% satisfied like this is Amazon chat or something. The fact you can find popular twitch FFXIV players making tweets about it and thousands of people agreeing is another testament to a change that just shouldn't have happened or been needed at all.


We are actually forced to, because time and money is a thing, and those that think they can afford to spend resources on something so mundane are selfish and tunnel sighted. You can make suggestions all you want and opinions, but they're no less bad than the suggestion to "change the sounds".

1.) Its not an entirely new thing though, its got as many references as you can shove from an FF and it plays just fine. You also realize we had lightning's gunblade in this game prior to Squall's ever, again... tunnel sighting your FF8 nostalgia hard. FFXIV has always played off of the fans references and nostalgia, but it was never its guiding force to define something to be EXACTLY what you already played... they already made the other FF's, they wouldn't bother making the same game into this again to be exactly the same.

2.) Check again, you're wrong. You need to watch your char swing more closely, I already named the skills that use 2 handed strikes. You're gripping for a complaint in change when there is no change necessary here, it reflects Lightning/Seifer/Squall just fine. Not to mention that is one renzokuken combo out of the others, they changed animations depending on the boss believe it or not.

3.) It only indicates they listened to a small minority and it made it worse for everyone who doesn't even frequent these forums. People in shout will all say "what happened to my job?" and there's non-forum posters coming here venting why they changed perfection. There's a MASS influx of tickets and complaints about this change compared to the few who wanted their nostalgia sated too. Your proof is the front page here and the JP forums having 100 page long threads mentioning how awful it sounds now.

1) They shouldn't listen to EVERY player, not everyone will be satisfied with every single change made, but they can certainly appeal to the masses as best they can rather than the minority.
2) again, not everyone can be happy, but the'd rather make it best for as many people rather than as few.

Just the same I will continue to urge people to stop being spoiled brats and screwing up a job that was fine to begin with. I have as much right to an opinion and to actually base my opinions off current facts as a person does who just wants nothing but childhood to overwhelm every aspect and nothing less. Again, check the threads here, every post, VERY VERY few want these changes and the changes you're requesting are for a very mundane minority that ignores everyone else that doesn't post here. Again, I'm only voicing what the masses have been saying for this past week, your arguments so far are invalid and unwanted, and it doesn't help you make this thread during a week most gunbreakers are in crisis over these new SFX. That's like going to a burnt down building and asking "ya know, we should get liquid soap in the bathrooms" over a burned down building. Let the building get back to normal first then think about adjustments you'd like to see. LEt the foundation build first, the job has been out for a whole 3 weeks.

first off lightning didn't have a gun blade she had flip out straight sword and a shield a really cool shield might I add.

yes the blade is base Squall and Siefer though I not sure I agree stance between combat the arm would surely get tire hold above your head. just picture hold oyu phone up to your ear. hold blade out in one hand I don't think it would

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Blazefire_Saber

"A weapon new to the Sanctum army, this gunblade is only issued to highly trained soldiers.
—Final Fantasy XIII description"

Female chars have lightning's battle stance too to support this. It's not the same gunblade we know since its more of a swap itno sword > gun but it still is named this in FF13, albeit a different take than FF8 fans would know it by. To some extent, a more logical take on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G6p4W5cMXg shows much heavier blows
for the one youre suggesting the attacks are one handed and i will go as far as say maybe thats what the developer was truly going for if the concept of Dissidia is canon. Which i can accept if it was.

However this still isnt solidified, so the original is something that is a bit more dominant. Something that most fans remember. I will not attempt to speak for all as there are younger ones who love the character but may not have played the original.

Are you ignoring the "SHRRRRRRRING" sound of the slashes during renzokuken? THAT'S the slashes, and it's an old outdated sound, so its off. You'll never find that in a modern made game these days, and the old sounds did that slash just fine and coupled it with the right explosions. AGAIN, I've named the skills you can watch the animations of in game that are 2 handed already, they did a combination of both, its not even an issue.

Also the explosions in that, are not as loud and ear piercing as what we have now, and even in that video there's a slashing sound even if its muffled being PS1 graphics/sounds. FFXIV did a great job for what they did and there's no reason to adjust it because you won't find 100% spot on perfection to what you want because there is a mass amount of others that enjoy FFXIV's development of what its based on. They did a great job, sorry you don't like it but don't ruin it for others. All this said, I'm repeating myself now because you're honing in on your FF8 childhood and objecting to see the grand scheme of an MMO and the reality of this job even showing up here to be applicable to play for ALL players, not just FF8 fans. Continue your wishes but they're quite invalid as it stands right now.

[Jaydarksol]

*Had to remove Val's quote since it would make this post too long, but this is in reference to the most recent one.*

Noone is forced to, please stop spreading misinformation if the developers didnt want your feedback they wouldnt have created forums, you are incredibly lowly to suggest otherwise considering you have no employment with this company.

1) doesn't matter if its not a new thing or not, you think gunblade, you think squall, easy. Sorry but you area just reaching at this point.

2) ive watched it numerous times, sorry but there are videos for this.

3) it made it worse for YOU when they listened to the players, im sorry but you may need to really reflect on your stance, you accuse others of doing x y z, and yet you yourself have shown through numerous posts now that you are bitter and everything you are proclaiming others to be. The sound is just fine, i like it better than the one before. again i dont have to belittle you or bash you or condescend you to make the point. You are toxic, you really dont fit in this community as far as i have witness. But i will respect your choice to be a fan and a player.

4) They listen to the players that align with their ideas, and the fact they changed it may have been the fact that they themselves werent pleased with the sounds. You place your blame on the players but its ultimately their choice, and they chose to change it, again youre toxic and attacking players for something they spoke up about, and the developers agreed.

You have no power to do any of that, please stop with this delusional way of thinking. I completely agree you have the right to an opinion, and when its based off facts. but you do not have the right to tell others what the company believes especially when there is no proof of it, you have no right to attempt to tell a player "take a hike" when you disagree with it, and you have no ability to urge people to stop being "spoiled brats" when you, yourself have been proven to be one.

"Again, I'm only voicing what the masses have been saying for this past week, your arguments so far are invalid and unwanted, and it doesn't help you make this thread during a week most gunbreakers are in crisis over these new SFX. " you are not the voices of the masses, please stop with the delusional thinking. And "most" gunbreakers are in a "crisis" over these new SFX? didn't think a small and better change like that would have caused a "crisis" but... considering you are considering yourself a representative of that group, i can see why.

Your comparisons speaks volumes of the level of mentality you have. It's nothing like this, the foundation is going to be built the whole purpose of the forums is to provide thoughts and feedback, you yourself are contradicting the progress the developers could use. Thanks for stopping by the thread.

[Valic]

*snip*

1. No, no you don't. That's just you. Not everyone played FF8, again I said this already. This is only proving my point you're tunnel sighting this. If you played FF8, good for you since that's what its referenced off of. If you didn't? Squall isn't your first thought if you never heard of the guy. So they designed the job for everyone, not just Squall lovers.

2. Watching the videos and playing the class in game and watching is different. For the fourth time, named the attacks that have 2 handed attacks, that's not 90% of this job, you're incorrect here, case closed.

3. No, it made it worse for A LOT of people, I already claimed mass majority > minority. and YET AGAIN, check the front page of this tank roles section, and the JP forums, LOTS more complaints more than the amount of original ones complaining. Also throwing around toxic/aggressive alot here, sorry but your fanboy dreams aren't everyone's.

4. No, they just listen to the players, even when it DOESN'T align with their ideas. At this point I'm not sure we're playing the same game. Again, I've not told you to stop, I've only supported my argument and had to repeat myself multiple times here for why these changes are unnecessary/unwanted. You're ignoring a lot of the mass comments here aside from my own. That said, I'll gladly post myproof.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...d_sounds_more/

plenty comments here not liking it.

https://twitter.com/Very_Merri/statu...17529047273472

comments and tweets here from a popular twitch user too.

It's sad because I had been enjoying the job and was about to level it as a tank to play this expansion.... but now these sound effects have made me actively dislike playing the job.

Quote from one of the MANY threads on this front page here that you can easily see.

Then you can go ahead and go into google translate, put the JP forum link in there, and it'll translate it for you and you can find a couple threads with 100 pages long mentioning how the new changes are worse than what people were even asking for before and that most didn't even ask for a change.


I could link you reddit, these forums, foreign forums, side non-official forums, twitter, and all forms of social media here, my point stands and I'm sorry you want something the way you do but ONCE AGAIN, mass majority > minority. Again, continue but at this point you're reaching for anything now for something that isn't necessary or worth that amount of effort. I'm repeating myself, you're not proving this is worth its time anymore, and you're clinging to the narrow sighted view of "but muh game nostalgia tho" rather than considering FFXIV as a whole of all of its community, not just the ones here on the forums, not just small groups of friends that have this minor preference. Take everyone as a whole, not just you or the FF8 fanboys, the players in the game most importantly, not the ones living outside of it wishing for something they already can play right now in its' source.

Np man <3 Happy to help.

[Kabooa]

That Very Merry twitter makes it sound like it's just him. Fair amount of those replies are saying he should change his sound settings.

I should also point out for clarity that the new sounds to me are not so jarring. Fact of the matter is I had to pull up the old trailer video and compare them side by side to hear the difference.