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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    "Also, i'd love seeing what Yoshida consider "party play"...because AFAIK FFXIV had much better party play than it does now before him taking over. We had the 15-ppl NMs, behests that were always crowded, leves that were often done in PT...seems like he assume party play as something where you are forced to do in party and cannot even atempt solo (like all trash content added by him like raids and primals), while IMO party play content = content that you are expected to do in party, even though it can be atempted solo or in very small groups.

    Just look at Dynamis and BCNMs...you always could enter there solo, even though they are expected to be done in party. I so wish Yoshida played FFXI instead of Skyrim...he would be able to see all his "innovative" ideas already working...and maybe decide being more creative then."


    Now feel free to click on my username, search my posts and read them...you will be plenty of feedback posts from there too. Also, I have the right to not like the way the game is going.
    Still don't see feedback...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    "Also, i'd love seeing what Yoshida consider "party play"...because AFAIK FFXIV had much better party play than it does now before him taking over. We had the 15-ppl NMs, behests that were always crowded, leves that were often done in PT...seems like he assume party play as something where you are forced to do in party and cannot even atempt solo (like all trash content added by him like raids and primals), while IMO party play content = content that you are expected to do in party, even though it can be atempted solo or in very small groups.

    Just look at Dynamis and BCNMs...you always could enter there solo, even though they are expected to be done in party. I so wish Yoshida played FFXI instead of Skyrim...he would be able to see all his "innovative" ideas already working...and maybe decide being more creative then."


    Now feel free to click on my username, search my posts and read them...you will be plenty of feedback posts from there too. Also, I have the right to not like the way the game is going.
    Yeah, we pretty much tried to ignore that the first time. Thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess View Post
    I'm too busy playing the game to bitch about everything. Tanaka's vision (if he even had one) was flawed. Yoshisha is what is saving the game, if Tanaka had stayed in charge, this game would be nothing.
    Oh, yeah? Odd enough that you're "too busy" playing the game and still my character is more developed than yours...so i guess i also played the game more than you. This is not a valid excuse.

    And if Tanaka was in charge the game would be great because he is a great game developer and of of the creators of the FF brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Oh, yeah? Odd enough that you're "too busy" playing the game and still my character is more developed than yours...so i guess i also played the game more than you. This is not a valid excuse.

    And if Tanaka was in charge the game would be great because he is a great game developer and of of the creators of the FF brand.
    Doubtful. I do other things besides leveling. SO yes, my excuse is valid because I say so, so meh to you sir.

    Also if he was SUCH a GREAT game developer this wouldn't have destroyed itself on release
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    This is by far the most uninspired, asinine and archaic concept for mage combat I have ever seen. It is this kind of ridiculous glass cannon design that leads to offensive mages being forced out of party combat. This is also the mentality that leads to Mages being repeatedly nerfed because they can sleep-nuke their way through anything. This is also the same archaic idea that lead to Black Mages and Summoners in FFXI having to party only in groups of nothing but their own class. By forcing mages to stand still at all times, battle will have to be less involved and require significantly fewer tactical movements. Fights like Ifrit will have to be reworked from the ground up just to account for the fact that healing and nuking will become next to impossible.

    There is no Excuse for sacrificing good gameplay in 90% of a games content just to satiate people who Like PvP. There are plenty of other way of getting around mages range advantage than forcing them to stand still all the time. What this actually does in PvP is make Mages even larger targets than they already were. Easy kills because they can no longer fight back. There is nothing fun about only being able to cheap shot people who dont see you coming.

    How about Archers? If Mages aren't aloud to move because they have to much of a range advantage, how are you gonna stop Archers from simply run and gunning everyone they see? Do they intend to double the animation lock times? Or is it only mage's who aren't aloud to have tactical combat?

    If you are concerned about mages having a run and gun advantage, dont stop them from moving. Let the players stop them from moving. Ranged Weapons with Heavy or Stun ought to do the trick. How about trap skills or magic nullifying abilities?

    If you are concerned about mages never being interrupted, make hitting them cause interruption or cause induction setback. Don't make it so everyone in the party has to stop moving so the healer can drop a cure. How are you supposed to run Darkhold? It was the devs own awful design to make it so you had to run through the whole place instead of fight. What are we supposed to do now? Walk through?

    This may well be the crown jewel of the awful design decisions that have been undermining every good concept this dev team has incorporated. It's like constantly moving one step forward, one step back. This dev team needs to start recognizing when things are fixed and stop trying to fix things that were never broken. Right now, the combat is perfectly well balanced between nearly every class. Most of the high level content is at just the right level of difficulty(despite the awful drop rates). This change is completely unnecessary and a giant step backwards for Mages everywhere. Yoshida needs to get it out of his head that Mages need to be back line, watch the fight, glass cannon jobs. Mages should play as active a role as any other class in the game. Forcing them to stand still makes that impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Oh, yeah? Odd enough that you're "too busy" playing the game and still my character is more developed than yours...so i guess i also played the game more than you. This is not a valid excuse.

    And if Tanaka was in charge the game would be great because he is a great game developer and of of the creators of the FF brand.
    The difference is Andi has a full time job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Oh, yeah? Odd enough that you're "too busy" playing the game and still my character is more developed than yours...so i guess i also played the game more than you. This is not a valid excuse.

    And if Tanaka was in charge the game would be great because he is a great game developer and of of the creators of the FF brand.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLEo7H9tqSM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macha View Post
    Uh... I don't like that fat whale. Sorry.
    HOW DARE YOU. TO THE STOCKS. WAAAAAAAOOOOOOOH
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    ...where is the feedback? I just see complaints and rage. Feedback implies you are saying something constructive.
    Most people like that aren't understanding the difference between feedback and just pure rage/butthurtness (not saying Lienn is butthurt..but.)

    So Yoshida makes a logical decision and not treating FFXIV like EVER OTHER GENERIC MMORPG IN THE WORLD, and some people still rage clearly wanting FFXIV to be a clone of every single MMO you've been playing.

    Which I guess makes sense, since people think SWTOR is something new and exciting.

    (It's not.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Most people like that aren't understanding the difference between feedback and just pure rage/butthurtness (not saying Lienn is butthurt..but.)

    So Yoshida makes a logical decision and not treating FFXIV like EVER OTHER GENERIC MMORPG IN THE WORLD, and some people still rage clearly wanting FFXIV to be a clone of every single MMO you've been playing.

    Which I guess makes sense, since people think SWTOR is something new and exciting.

    (It's not.)
    You clearly don't know what your talking about..

    Movement Interruptions is the standard..

    People do not want that stale pointless mechanic. They espeically do not want it for the sole purpose of making PvP better.

    Some Day MMO developers will realize that 90% of their players do not do end game or pvp. They aspire to it, but it is only the vast minority that do those things.

    Please stop the cycle of ruining positive aspects of this game for the sake of the vast minority.
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