If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[TwistedTea]

We should enforce DPS doing THEIR job instead.
If DPS were good enough there would be no need for healers to DPS. Them doing worse or better means much more than healers DPS alone.
I have seen far more bad dps than i do healers, thats why i dont run parse anymore to save me nerves when i see dps doing a lot less dps than me a tank...

There doesn't seem to be any accountability for DPS in FFXIV.

Even without ACT,by glancing at the party enemity table, it's pretty obvious to see when DPS is subpar.

For example:
When you're on WHM running 50-70 content. The parts which don't require healing and you're going full on DPS(No regen ticking/nada). Then you glance over at the party table and see that both healers are just below the MT in aggro.

Still think healers should DPS when not healing (ABC). Be bored out of my mind otherwise.

[NessaWyvern]

One could argue not doing dps is bad healing in that:
The faster the boss dies, the less damage your party members take.
If you have a hard time convincing yourself to dps as a healer, and only want to heal, consider that doing DPS is damage mitigation. :P

[Nedkel]

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The thing you did not catch on the thread is that OP is complaining about MP usage when he DPS and that if something get messed up he wont be able to heal or raise someone because of OOM, which is really a case in new content where mobs hits like mad and bosses have mechanics which 50% of people fail to execute or dodge.

I am far better with healer who heals and rarely push dps button than i do with healers who dps and just let me bite the mud. With good DPS and healer who keeps my heath bar above 60-70% i could pull everything in sight and make it still working.
But it just cant works if dps are so bad that it takes ages to kill the pull and we eventually wipe because healer and me used everything.

DPS average out at 10k DPS in dungeons, 20k DPS for both while healer is around 3-6k.

[TwistedTea]

One could argue not doing dps is bad healing in that:
The faster the boss dies, the less damage your party members take.
If you have a hard time convincing yourself to dps as a healer, and only want to heal, consider that doing DPS is damage mitigation. :P

Doctor: Prevention is better than cure.

Healer: Dead enemies can't hurt my party.

[Bixillarla]

And they not swiftly be kicked and/or made a mockery out of? Exactly. Only healers have an excuse—one people have long grown tired of. No one is asking you pull 7,000 on WHM. If, on the other hand, you're pulling 0 despite the tank and DPS doing their part properly, you're simply leeching off their work.

Leeching off their work? Lets see how much work they get done without a healer keeping them on their feet. The healer is working to keep the party alive to complete the dungeon, it is the sole reason we are there. Without a healer the tank and DPS would not make it far.

[ScarboroughFairy]

As a pretty seasoned Healer of the last expac (seasoned being I've healed through Savage content, but was unable to complete the last raid tier due to IRL obligation), there's no shame in prioritizing Healing over DPS when it's absolutely necessary. You're main priority is keeping everyone alive so they can get the clear.

There is shame in standing around and not taking the initiative to deal damage when there's no damage outgoing. As a Healer, your contribution to shaving off percentages off of the target's HP bar is just as important as the career DPS and the Tanks. I get that if the fight becomes healing intensive, it's not always possible to ABC, but bare minimum Healers are lazy and bad. Dealing damage is a form of preventative medicine. The faster it takes for something to die, the less healing you have to do.

[Alaray]

Leeching off their work? Lets see how much work they get done without a healer keeping them on their feet. The healer is working to keep the party alive to complete the dungeon, it is the sole reason we are there. Without a healer the tank and DPS would not make it far.

I've completed dungeons without healers.

You pull smaller, rotate cd's, DPS kill things. A healer expedites the process by allowing larger pulls, and contributing damage output in conjunction with it.

If you stand around idle at half MP with no outgoing damage, you're dead weight.

[Baka_Neko1]

If you as a healer stand idle, I, as a dps will stand in puddle if it will increase my dps and not kill me. Why? Because an idle healer means he needs a purpose.

[Isala]

I've completed dungeons without healers.

You pull smaller, rotate cd's, DPS kill things. A healer expedites the process by allowing larger pulls, and contributing damage output in conjunction with it.

If you stand around idle at half MP with no outgoing damage, you're dead weight.

No joke, I actually had a WAR and a DRG duo the final boss of Akademia from about 75% when the healer got deleted. There's a certain brand of healers who like to have the "You can't do anything without me" mentality, and even as a healer myself, I know that's wrong. I am there to do one very simple job, as is everyone else. And that is to clear the instances as efficiently as I can. Which means doing more than just the basics of your class, regardless of role. To do otherwise is disrespectful to the other players in your group.

[Katie_Kitty]

I just tried healing again after taking a 2 year break, switched to tank, and was enjoying it but once I got to the end game, its back to usual. Even with the removal of a large chunk of the healer DPS spells and abilities, the player community is still demanding, not asking, demanding that healers still DPS.

Not a welcome experience for me one bit. I don't mind contributing when I can but being outright told that I am causing trouble if I am focusing on healing because... well...they need to be healed (people standing in the fire), it really gets to me. I cant DPS if I am spending my mana on rezzes or heals or needing to save mana for a mechanic, etc. I know the devs are trying to reduce the need for healer DPS but it isn't working.

TLDR: Healer DPS is more important than anything else, if you don't, your dead weight, get lost.

Adorable, can I headpat you? You're just too precious. :3