If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[gumas]

Can I buff a groups DPS?
No I can't, that's why I get a slightly higher personal DPS.

yeah buff group dps.... for 6%... with 180s CD

900 potency not enough to you? + assize? our ogcd is only a 150 potency and thats waiting for 10s first + 60s CD
dozen of instant heal and instant aoe heal?
2 oh shit ogcd heal?
a wing that increase your heal for 20% AND decrease damage for 10% for whole party

AND YOU CAN MOVE AROUND DO OTHER STUFF WHILE OURS STUCK IN A BUBBLE THAT BURST THE MOMENT WE TOOK A SINGLE STEP.

yeah, very fair

[Shurrikhan]

yeah buff group dps.... for 6%... with 180s CD...

...yeah, very fair

It's not, admittedly. AST is undertuned. No one else is doing significantly less damage potency than they did at level 64.

[Granyala]

900 potency not enough to you?

The lily is actually fairly underwhelming.
You spend 90s building it and then it does 900 potency. Wee.
That's 10 potency per second.

A Glare (300 potency), cast with a 2.4s GCD has 125 potency per second, so please forgive me if I am not blinded by a 900 w/o context. Unless you hit a large group of enemies, the lily barely makes any dent in my DPS, if you take a 5 minute bossfight as baseline.

[gumas]

The lily is actually fairly underwhelming.
You spend 90s building it and then it does 900 potency. Wee.
That's 10 potency per second.

A Glare (300 potency), cast with a 2.4s GCD has 125 potency per second, so please forgive me if I am not blinded by a 900 w/o context. Unless you hit a large group of enemies, the lily barely makes any dent in my DPS, if you take a 5 minute bossfight as baseline.

yet its instant, you can always cast something else and weave it yes every 90 seconds, its an extra but a good extra. ast have nothing to weave here aside from earthly star. if the card system is good/worth the dps loss its fine, right now everything just underwhelming.

[Granyala]

yet its instant, you can always cast something else and weave it yes every 90 seconds, its an extra but a good extra. ast have nothing to weave here aside from earthly star. if the card system is good/worth the dps loss its fine, right now everything just underwhelming.

Last time I checked, all my lily skills are on the GCD, so there is nothing to "weave".
At least, not as I understand the term.

Yeah they are instant, so I do get increased mobility, which is definitely nice since WHM always lagged behind in that regard compared to the other classes.

but I disagree on the lilies being underwhelming

Love the blue ones.
Only the purple one is underwhelming.

[AmeliaVerves]

Love the blue ones.
Only the purple one is underwhelming.

It's a fair trade. If you have to spend the GCD for healing you would have to spend it either way, with or without the lily system being in place, but the purple lily makes up for the 'lost' Glare.

[Granyala]

It's a fair trade. If you have to spend the GCD for healing you would have to spend it either way, with or without the lily system being in place, but the purple lily makes up for the 'lost' Glare.

I don't fish for lilys. (By that I mean deliberately overhealing)
If I am at 3 lilys I replace the next cure with a lily skill. Otherwise they are banked in case I need access to instants while moving.

As such, the purple one basically replaces a glare cast.
Napkin math:
That would be 600 potency gained every 90 seconds or 6.666 potency per second.
Lily does around 40K right now, so that would be 440ish DPS. Not sure yet what my single target DPS is right now but it's safe to say that the lily damage contributes less than 10%. Comparable to what Assize does.

[AmeliaVerves]

I don't fish for lilys. (By that I mean deliberately overhealing)
If I am at 3 lilys I replace the next cure with a lily skill. Otherwise they are banked in case I need access to instants while moving.

As such, the purple one basically replaces a glare cast.
Napkin math:
That would be 600 potency gained every 90 seconds or 6.666 potency per second.
Lily does around 40K right now, so that would be 440ish DPS. Not sure yet what my single target DPS is right now but it's safe to say that the lily damage contributes less than 10%. Comparable to what Assize does.

Well, first off it's not recommended doing maths with actual numbers bc they vary so much, instead you work with potencies.
That being said, I have seen Miseries crit for >75k, so if you take Crits and DH-Crits into consideration Misery can actually be a dps gain even tho you spent your lilies for overhealing.

Apart from that: never cast Cure (II) if you have a Lily except for content you don't know and you want to play it safe for progression matters. Using a Lily for movement is not always a gain! It only is if you'd actually use a whole GCD moving, otherwise move > Glare.

Obv they can't make Misery a dps gain over Glare, bc that would kinda break the whole deal, it's a trade off for having to heal anyways (since that's your main job lol), but still gaining something out of your spent GCDs. Namely 're-gaining' 3/4 Glare potency for 3 spent GCD heals.

[AmeliaVerves]

The lily is actually fairly underwhelming.
You spend 90s building it and then it does 900 potency. Wee.
That's 10 potency per second.

A Glare (300 potency), cast with a 2.4s GCD has 125 potency per second, so please forgive me if I am not blinded by a 900 w/o context. Unless you hit a large group of enemies, the lily barely makes any dent in my DPS, if you take a 5 minute bossfight as baseline.

While in a pure vacuum (aka Stone Sky Sea/dummy fight) Misery is an actual dps loss and fishing for it will result in loosing dps, but I disagree on the lilies being underwhelming.
They could have done more to make them useful and find more ways to spend them, but as it stands now you get a significant value out of your spent GCD heals. They're instant, strong and for free, which makes them perfect methods to weave during times of high movement. You only loose 1/4 of a glare and get a clipping-free double weave + it's still a gain over snapshotting your Dia with 20s left.
Ofc EX Primals don't make you use them a lot for actual healing, but I think they will come in pretty handy for savage and harder fights.