New drk is too much fun!

[Zhamkyong]

Can you raise like, a genuine counter argument though, not just muh feels? DRK gameplay liteterally doesn't change in single target between 70-80 other than add the dot on a 2 min timer. To that end you can play dark knight in level 70 content and get a very good feel for how it plays. The Shadow literally doesn't interact with your kit at all either, so the only thing changing on DRK is the numbers got bigger and you get your second aoe step.

Just saying muh experience therefore you're wrong doesn't add anything.

Muh experience/feels is everything i am reading as a counter argument since the expansion went live on early access. I kept an eye on the threads and users bashing the class because "it's broing" and the like, even when multitude of other players had offered a much detailed arguments as for why the current DRK flow better than the old one. And when someone gives even a proper answer that is difficult to counter argument as you say, it gets ignored. Even if the class only adds an AoE rotation, skill upgrade, magic AoE defense and a Dot you cannot measure 5 minutes on a dummy against a Ex Trial, just to give a quick example. You may not like the class as it is now, and thats fine. No one is telling you or forcing you to like it or play it against your will. Now, if some players keep bashing their opinions, feelings and resentment constantly against a job everyone else is enjoying -sometimes with very bad jokes- expect some kind of answer. In this case: Do not give an opinion of a job you did not properly level and used in a proper scenario.

[shao32]

Muh experience/feels is everything i am reading as a counter argument since the expansion went live on early access. I kept an eye on the threads and users bashing the class because "it's broing" and the like, even when multitude of other players had offered a much detailed arguments as for why the current DRK flow better than the old one. And when someone gives even a proper answer that is difficult to counter argument as you say, it gets ignored. Even if the class only adds an AoE rotation, skill upgrade, magic AoE defense and a Dot you cannot measure 5 minutes on a dummy against a Ex Trial, just to give a quick example. You may not like the class as it is now, and thats fine. No one is telling you or forcing you to like it or play it against your will. Now, if some players keep bashing their opinions, feelings and resentment constantly against a job everyone else is enjoying -sometimes with very bad jokes- expect some kind of answer. In this case: Do not give an opinion of a job you did not properly level and used in a proper scenario.

i won't say everyone is enjoying the job, if that was the case the entire drama around DRK rework won't be a thing in the first place.

you know my experience come from 4 years of maining the job on all the "proper" content, and i can cleary build my opinion about it since boss fights in a dungeon don't tend to be more intensive that extreme and raids since the dungeons cover already all the basic mechanics you will face and i can test it on lvl 70 raids and trials. now since the job doesn't change betwen this 10 levels you can use all the level 70 content too to build a opinion, or bcs is not lvl 80 i can't compared the rotation on omega or suzaku? ot's have to be only in titania or inocence? thatts the adventage of the DRK desing, anyone can build a opinion on lower levels like it or not.

now my opinion about the job being pretty valid, don't worry i will finally take it to lvl 80 when i finish the MSQ, i still maintain that the job is boring compared to his old versions and they identity is being hurted with this inner release version and need a change mid expansion bcs i want as many others enjoy the job we love and don't wait 2 years to see achange if they don't make it worse again.

[Zhamkyong]

If I can't even be bothered with getting it to 71, it IS boring to play. I'm glad you and everyone else found it exciting and new and shiny but I just can't play this edition of it.

Is it bad? I have no idea how good or bad it is but I've never played the game for the MATH. I mean AST and SCH were the kings but I've stayed on WHM most the game. Heck, I played MCH through Stormblood which still felt pretty good outside of the Overheat and Wildfire nonsense.

All I'm seeing here is a claim of "It gets better 10-20 hours in". Yeah, no thank you. I hope you have fun with it but I'm looking at the other tanks or just dropping that role this expansion.

Even if i sometimes look at the numbers to see if i am doing it right or not I do not play for the math either, so we can agree on that at least.

i won't say everyone is enjoying the job, if that was the case the entire drama around DRK rework won't be a thing in the first place.

you know my experience come from 4 years of maining the job on all the "proper" content, and i can cleary build my opinion about it since boss fights in a dungeon don't tend to be more intensive that extreme and raids since the dungeons cover already all the basic mechanics you will face and i can test it on lvl 70 raids and trials. now since the job doesn't change betwen this 10 levels you can use all the level 70 content too to build a opinion, or bcs is not lvl 80 i can't compared the rotation on omega or suzaku? ot's have to be only in titania or inocence? thatts the adventage of the DRK desing, anyone can build a opinion on lower levels like it or not.

now my opinion about the job being pretty valid, don't worry i will finally take it to lvl 80 when i finish the MSQ, i still maintain that the job is boring compared to his old versions and they identity is being hurted with this inner release version and need a change mid expansion bcs i want as many others enjoy the job we love and don't wait 2 years to see achange if they don't make it worse again.

My experience comes from HW and SB, i tried to main DRK both at some extent and it was insufferable. In SB, months before ShB i decided to tank and picked up DRK again, and even when i had the feeling that i had to put too much effort in comparasion to PLD -to give an example- en every way, even then i held to it.

Now, since i have this oportunity i will use this as a counter argument since you seem to agree with it.

Can you raise like, a genuine counter argument though, not just muh feels? Just saying muh experience therefore you're wrong doesn't add anything.

[MerlinCross]

"Can you raise a counterargument?"

Well first I wonder what would be classified as an acceptable counter argument. That said I think both sides of the discussion are just going to spin wheels for the next 2 years and we'll be back here again. Just depends on who is more vocal to see what changes.