New drk is too much fun!

[Lyth]

It's fine if you don't like the job as a matter of personal taste. There's something in this expansion for everyone.

What I find silly is this sour grapes mentality that if you dislike the job in question, it must be because it's too easy. You're welcome to indulge in as much idle boasting as you like, but I won't have you demeaning a job that I intend to practice optimising on this expansion. We've had enough of that last expansion from people who didn't understand the job, thank you very much.

I'm sure that there are specific things that could be improved on (Living Dead being one of them), and I'm always interested to read about players' points of view on those things. Some of the ideas expressed, especially related to resource generation, would simplify gameplay rather than make it more interesting. But that one-combo meme? If someone has mained the job over any of the past three expansions, I have a hard time believing that they'd take that seriously.

[ADVSS]

It's fine if you don't like the job as a matter of personal taste. There's something in this expansion for everyone.

What I find silly is this sour grapes mentality that if you dislike the job in question, it must be because it's too easy. You're welcome to indulge in as much idle boasting as you like, but I won't have you demeaning a job that I intend to practice optimising on this expansion. We've had enough of that last expansion from people who didn't understand the job, thank you very much.

I'm sure that there are specific things that could be improved on (Living Dead being one of them), and I'm always interested to read about players' points of view on those things. Some of the ideas expressed, especially related to resource generation, would simplify gameplay rather than make it more interesting. But that one-combo meme? If someone has mained the job over any of the past three expansions, I have a hard time believing that they'd take that seriously.

For raiding, absolutely not. Unless they actually give you a boss with a mechanic like the 2nd boss of the first 80 dungeon, then it would make sense. Keep in mind that raids are only like 5% or less of the content available to do in this game, the other 92-95% is a different story. Let me be clear, you're very intelligent and concise when it comes to performance on that 5% of content-which is highly regarded as the only content that matters. Im not here to discount you, unless you're discounting others. The point is, like you said, theres a job for everyone, DRK even in HW was barely a DRK to me, but giving PLD a clemency, etc made me hope, that some day, they might give DRK a unique and individual identity closer to what it always has been in the past. DRK has always been middle road since its inception, only giving what it had and excelled to the other tank jobs. As far as the "meme" comment, so what? They have proven they can give spells to tanks and have it work(PLD) but DRK? You have to begin to wonder why. Actually, yea. I still say its "easy". Especially for concise players like yourself, youll be sitting on that 3k mp licking your lips, I know it, we all know it. Youre totally going to hit that Edge button one day, I see it. Once that happens, your whole world will change. its going to happen.When it does happen, you'll be like "WHY the (kupo) couldnt they have delirium work for mp spenders instead? Why is AD on an abysmally long cd being a mp spender, why is TBN not a blood spender that, if used properly recirculate mp indirectly for more damage?"

[Nedkel]

For everyone who liked old DRK i propose trying out GNB, his Continuation mechanic is kinda similar to Dark Arts.
Try it.

[MerlinCross]

oh don't misunderstand me im complete agreed if DRK wasn't broken there why fix it? i have the opinion that the Devs team just make a poor job and destroy everything about DRK for no reason, and instead of bring quality of live to his kit and new mechanics they make this frankestein and it's suck.

the second part it's the same, there is no excuse, if a job is boring in the most basic stuff it will be boring in the hardest one.

I mean from what I understand MNK is still broke. As to why fix it; because enough vocal people complained about it. Vocal being the key word.

And rather than fixing/tweaking, they just rip out Dark Arts and make us discount WAR because why not people like WAR right?

As for the second; well I was actually confused what you meant in the last post. I do agree, if it feels of or boring against dummies or mobs, why is it supposed to be more fun in harder fights? Especially with how easy it sounds to upkeep everything to the point I’m seeing “If you lose Darkside you’re bad” starting to creep up.

[Zhamkyong]

Well, i finally got the DRK to level 80. After unloking/beating the last dungeons i decided to give Innocence Ex a try and i jumped into a blind party. So, having experienced the class at level 80 in those instances i say: Please, do not ever give an opinion about the problems of a job if do not have leveled up first. It needs some tweaks and you can like it or not but it's not broken, neither is boring to play.

[shao32]

Well, i finally got the DRK to level 80. After unloking/beating the last dungeons i decided to give Innocence Ex a try and i jumped into a blind party. So, having experienced the class at level 80 in those instances i say: Please, do not ever give an opinion about the problems of a job if do not have leveled up first. It needs some tweaks and you can like it or not but it's not broken, neither is boring to play.

DRK gameplay doesn't change between lvl 72-80 so nobody need to have it a max level to mid-max and try it on trials and dungeons and give his opinion. And fun is relative and many old DRK mains consider the job boring and lack of identity compared to his old versions.

[Zhamkyong]

DRK gameplay doesn't change between lvl 72-80 so nobody need to have it a max level to mid-max and try it on trials and dungeons and give his opinion. And fun is relative and many old DRK mains consider the job boring and lack of identity compared to his old versions.

Since you did not bother to level up the class i will hold up to my experience, thank you.

[ReiMakoto]

Since you did not bother to level up the class i will hold up to my experience, thank you.

Can you raise like, a genuine counter argument though, not just muh feels? DRK gameplay liteterally doesn't change in single target between 70-80 other than add the dot on a 2 min timer. To that end you can play dark knight in level 70 content and get a very good feel for how it plays. The Shadow literally doesn't interact with your kit at all either, so the only thing changing on DRK is the numbers got bigger and you get your second aoe step.

Just saying muh experience therefore you're wrong doesn't add anything.

[Zhamkyong]

Can you raise like, a genuine counter argument though, not just muh feels? DRK gameplay liteterally doesn't change in single target between 70-80 other than add the dot on a 2 min timer. To that end you can play dark knight in level 70 content and get a very good feel for how it plays. The Shadow literally doesn't interact with your kit at all either, so the only thing changing on DRK is the numbers got bigger and you get your second aoe step.

Just saying muh experience therefore you're wrong doesn't add anything.

Muh experience/feels is everything i am reading as a counter argument since the expansion went live on early access. I kept an eye on the threads and users bashing the class because "it's broing" and the like, even when multitude of other players had offered a much detailed arguments as for why the current DRK flow better than the old one. And when someone gives even a proper answer that is difficult to counter argument as you say, it gets ignored. Even if the class only adds an AoE rotation, skill upgrade, magic AoE defense and a Dot you cannot measure 5 minutes on a dummy against a Ex Trial, just to give a quick example. You may not like the class as it is now, and thats fine. No one is telling you or forcing you to like it or play it against your will. Now, if some players keep bashing their opinions, feelings and resentment constantly against a job everyone else is enjoying -sometimes with very bad jokes- expect some kind of answer. In this case: Do not give an opinion of a job you did not properly level and used in a proper scenario.

[jetfire117]

Agreed, summoning Fray never gets old and seeing him fight with you is pretty fun. Feels nice to have fun with DRK again. Hoping for some adjustments to delirium to make it more interesting and maybe a shorter CD on blood weapon or some charges on abyssal drain.