The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[linay]

As I've said before, it's not about what's fastest or most efficient-- efficiency is often the death of fun, anyway. It's about getting rid of an undesirable from your group, and you all agreeing to stick together to the end. Without that undesirable, just because you can.

Then what makes the tank undesirable?

On another note, I've seen many tanks pull one at a time at both leveling and expert dungeons without seeing any vote to kick prompt, so I think the idea that those tanks should get kicked is actually shared by a minority of people. The only one time someone disagrees, they actually left on their own without even prompting a vote.

[Penthea]

Then what makes the tank undesirable?

On another note, I've seen many tanks pull one at a time at both leveling and expert dungeons without seeing any vote to kick prompt, so I think the idea that those tanks should get kicked is actually shared by a minority of people. The only one time someone disagrees, they actually left on their own without even prompting a vote.

I only ever see tanks get kicked if their tanking is so bad the instance is excruciatingly slow or impossible. And even then it's rare. People often have to wait a long time for a queue pop, especially dps, so most of the time people are slow to kick tanks unless the situation becomes hopeless.

[linay]

I only ever see tanks get kicked if their tanking is so bad the instance is excruciatingly slow or impossible. And even then it's rare. People often have to wait a long time for a queue pop, especially dps, so most of the time people are slow to kick tanks unless the situation becomes hopeless.

Yeah, I think that's usually the case for that very reason. Of course, I've no doubt there are cases where you get people get so worked up about single pull that a kick happens, but it's never been in my experience at least.

[Vahlnir]

Yeah, I think that's usually the case for that very reason. Of course, I've no doubt there are cases where you get people get so worked up about single pull that a kick happens, but it's never been in my experience at least.

I have never seen a tank kicked just for being slow. Like a lot of things lately, this is something I have only seen or heard of exclusively on the forums. I don't doubt that a few isolated incidents have happened though. Anything and everything can and will happen in an MMO. But usually if a tank is slow, sometimes someone may say "you can pull more if you want" but otherwise there is generally a silent acceptance that the run may not be as fast as some people hoped. Sometimes the party takes it upon itself to speed things up by pulling for the tank but that usually isn't to their benefit. It makes things take longer. I don't see that happen very often either to be honest, but I have indeed seen people pull for the tank before.

[linay]

I have never seen a tank kicked just for being slow. Like a lot of things lately, this is something I have only seen or heard of exclusively on the forums. I don't doubt that a few isolated incidents have happened though. Anything and everything can and will happen in an MMO. But usually if a tank is slow, sometimes someone may say "you can pull more if you want" but otherwise there is generally a silent acceptance that the run may not be as fast as some people hoped. Sometimes the party takes it upon itself to speed things up but that usually isn't to their benefit. It makes things take longer.

Indeed, that's a good thing with having a lot of different people to play.

[Nedkel]

Yeah, I think that's usually the case for that very reason. Of course, I've no doubt there are cases where you get people get so worked up about single pull that a kick happens, but it's never been in my experience at least.

We have finally made it to a point where forums has less acceptance over underperforming players than actual people playing this game. xDD

I do believe its thanks to the console players who do not want to argue over silly things, we need more of them, would be cool if this game came out on xbox.

If they are comfortable without one, don't bring one. If the healer in the group isn't DPSing during the time they aren't healing, kick them. Being honest a healer isn't worth their weight in salt if they can't DPS in the current leveling content with how easy it truly is ATM.

You cant kick healers for not dpsing, it is against the ToS and healers in the minds of developers are not forced to DPS.
Kicking a healer for that could give you a ban.

[ShariusTC]

I dont even bother to pull more for tank if they are slow pull, simple im not interest, but on other hand i got an endless ruin 3 spam macro incase tank slow pull so i can watch netflix why we slowly kill each mob in that pull, easy and funtime indeed

[Hash_Browns]

You cant kick healers for not dpsing, it is against the ToS and healers in the minds of developers are not forced to DPS.
Kicking a healer for that could give you a ban.

We are going to get into the "difference in playstyle" vote kick, and that's a box that really shouldn't be opened in here. Enough discussion going on as is.

[Nedkel]

We are going to get into the "difference in playstyle" vote kick, and that's a box that really shouldn't be opened in here. Enough discussion going on as is.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1

"■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.
Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of nuisance behaviour:
◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play:
Improper expulsion voting
This means excluding another person by manipulation of expulsion voting.
Other obstruction of play
This means all other behaviour that deliberately obstructs another person's game play by some means.

And according to Yoshida himself, healers should not be asked to DPS, because encounters are designed with healers not dpsing in mind. Kicking healer because he does not do dps will guarantee you a ban or warning.

Welcome to the game with new ToS, the thing you have shown us is old rules, ToS is above it.

[Mavrias]

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1



And according to Yoshida himself, healers should not be asked to DPS, because encounters are designed with healers not dpsing in mind. Kicking healer because he does not do dps will guarantee you a ban or warning.

Welcome to the game with new ToS, the thing you have shown us is old rules, ToS is above it.

i've literally never seen or heard of that being actually enforced in response to a kick. so as far as we can see, ToS does not deny differences in playstyle.