Healer boycott in 5.0

[Ceasaria]

If healing as SCH have been made easier, i'll be playing it much more in 5.0.

It's not easier.
You have more healing tools to deal with.
How many times I saw people not using Fey Union ? Rouse ? Eye for an Eye ? Deployment Tactic ? etc.
More tools in the hands of healers capable of managing them all and optimize their utilisation you can feel the difference as co-healer or teamate compared to healers who prefer to skip some abilities or use them too rarely.
That will not change in ShB.

[Hysterior]

How could we give feedback on a job if we don't at least try it?
You sound like these kids who refuse to eat vegetables they never tried just based on how they look or what they think they will taste like.

I will play healer and I will share my feedback (hopefully constructive) to SE using the forum.

[HyoMinPark]

You guys are overreacting so hard. Dont believe the devs when they said theyd rebalance combat around more healing involved? Fine, thats on you. Ill give them the oppertunity to show it before i cry like a bossy child.

This is supposed to be a paradigm shift from the high focus on dps to a high focus on needed healing input. If you dont like that change, you should play a dps or tank, theres plenty.

Not going to talk about the healer changes—although, I am not happy about the AST changes—but I actually don’t believe the developers will make content hit harder. Given their track record of how EX primals and Savage continue to get easier as the expansions pass, I doubt that they would actually make content require more than 20~30% healing uptime outside of the hardest pieces of content in the game. If they actually did, I will eat my words—but I would be very shocked if things like dungeons and 24-mans and normal modes started requiring more healing than they currently do.

*shrugs* The Devs have different goals/likes than we do.

The Devs thought 4.0 was fine when they first playtested it, but the players in their infinite GOTTA GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO mentality that is a disease upon Duty Finder content were all whiny and crap.

Yeah, they insisted that the WHM Lily system was fine and that people would enjoy it once they started playing WHM. It’s Patch 4.58 and people still hate the Lilies. They function off of the most inefficient healing tools WHM has (Cure/Cure II), and the Confession Stacks/Plenary Indulgence end up being an overheal in more instances than not. The developers need to look at how players play the game to fix these issues.

I'm getting the feeling that the Devs are not so impatient, and not speedrunners that absolutely must finish dungeons in 15 minutes or less type mentality. But they release these classes and the speedrunners complain because it doesn't work as well for speedrunning and the Devs have to adjust.

*shrug*

But then I'm of the opinion we should put obstacles after every single pull to stop this absurd speedrun crap.

Perhaps if the dungeons weren’t boring as sin people wouldn’t want to get them over as quickly as possible.

Doesn’t help that “Expert” dungeons hit like wet noodles. When Swallow’s Compass first came out, I went in on SCH (my weakest healer) and used nothing but Excog, Whispering Dawn, an Indom on the second boss, and Eos’ Embrace to heal. That is truly pathetic.

[Darkpaw]

By all means the devs have made missteps, but you all are forgetting one things. While you all stand here screaming homogenization, insulting devs and their design choices, boycotting, insulting each other’s ideas. You are trivializing the whole issue.

Think of it like this. If you made a decision that no one else liked and those people came to you and started screaming at you, insulting you and your decisions, threatening you, etc etc etc how would you respond? Most people would tell that person to take a flying leap off a short cliff. I know i would.

So while I understand hearing just wait and try it just wait and try it is not comforting or reassuring at all. Try not throwing a fit and actually make posts about legitimate concerns and ways to address them. Present them politely and present them as opinions. And realize reverting changes is not going to solve anything come up with new and inventive solutions to give the dev team ideas. Stay positive through the change and dont delve into the salt mines

[WaterShield]

Alright this call for healers to boycott needs to stop. The people agreeing to this are wasting there time in a massive way.

1./ you have no idea, understanding, or respect for the power of a boycott like this.

2./ you will never get enough base support in this game to force your viewpoint as these forums make up a very small part of the community.

3./ your demands are based on a two month old test build, and your speculations are only based on a very miniscule grasp of new systems in place (e.g. new damage calculations, trial, dungeon, raid design.)

4./ the impact you think this will have on the game will not happen or even by some slim chance if it does happen others will switch to healer for those instaqueues or suffer trusts.

5./ these calls for boycotts, petitions for peoples jobs, calls for mass unsubs, are more detrimental then you realize and you have no respect for the consequences. What happens if a new player or someone interested in coming to this game for the first time decides to stop by these forums and check out community feedback? I know if i were one i would think twice before grabbing this game, and to make matters worse you are going from 0-200 without any hard facts about the final build. Do you see how asinine that is?

Hopefully they avoid the trash fire? You're basically arguing that people shouldn't be upset about something, because it might stop someone from wasting money on a bad product. Great logic

The issue isn't numbers, those can be adjusted easily. The overall design is bad... and there is no way they will address that before another expansion.

[Gula]

How could we give feedback on a job if we don't at least try it?
You sound like these kids who refuse to eat vegetables they never tried just based on how they look or what they think they will taste like.

I will play healer and I will share my feedback (hopefully constructive) to SE using the forum.

Thank you for giving such a clean analogy. It's perfect.

[Darkpaw]

Hopefully they avoid the trash fire? You're basically arguing that people shouldn't be upset about something, because it might stop someone from wasting money on a bad product. Great logic

The issue isn't numbers, those can be adjusted easily. The overall design is bad... and there is no way they will address that before another expansion.

A trash product? So why are you even here on these forums? Just because the devs made some questionable design decisions doesn't mean the entire product is trash. I was machinist main through all of stormblood. I never once discouraged someone from picking up and trying this game or even trying machinist throughout all of stormblood. Given the fact that we don't know the full extent of the design decisions you can't make a well reasoned or even rational argument. I've never said don't be upset. I advocating for intelligent feedback that isn't equating to

"YOU DIDNT DO WHAT I WANTED YOU TO DO SO NOW THIS GAME IS GARBAGE"

when actually coming with a calm collected mindset and providing FEEDBACK would get you further than just going "REEEEEEE!!! SE DESTROYED MY JOB!!!! HEALERS GUTTED!!! HOMOGENIZATION!!! BOYCOTT!! PETITIONS!!!! MASS UNSUBS!!! REEEEEEEEEEE" If you had someone questioning your design decisions in your face the way some of you are doing on these forums you'd tell them to go eff themselves or you'd need psychiatric care. You would and the devs i'm sure would respond to well thought out constructive criticism rather than going full snowflake and melting down like the world is ending because a game's dev team makes a questionable design choice.

[fantasticm]

So while I understand hearing just wait and try it just wait and try it is not comforting or reassuring at all. Try not throwing a fit and actually make posts about legitimate concerns and ways to address them. Present them politely and present them as opinions. And realize reverting changes is not going to solve anything come up with new and inventive solutions to give the dev team ideas. Stay positive through the change and dont delve into the salt mines

Square Enix has a history of listening to salty screaming and polite feedback alike when it comes to SCH mains and, belatedly, AST mains. I don't see why they should ignore history for the sake of your sensibilities when there is a reasonable chance of getting back some of their job identity.

[WaterShield]

A trash product? So why are you even here on these forums? Just because the devs made some questionable design decisions doesn't mean the entire product is trash. I was machinist main through all of stormblood. I never once discouraged someone from picking up and trying this game or even trying machinist throughout all of stormblood. Given the fact that we don't know the full extent of the design decisions you can't make a well reasoned or even rational argument. I've never said don't be upset. I advocating for intelligent feedback that isn't equating to

"YOU DIDNT DO WHAT I WANTED YOU TO DO SO NOW THIS GAME IS GARBAGE"

when actually coming with a calm collected mindset and providing FEEDBACK would get you further than just going "REEEEEEE!!! SE DESTROYED MY JOB!!!! HEALERS GUTTED!!! HOMOGENIZATION!!! BOYCOTT!! PETITIONS!!!! MASS UNSUBS!!! REEEEEEEEEEE" If you had someone questioning your design decisions in your face the way some of you are doing on these forums you'd tell them to go eff themselves or you'd need psychiatric care. You would and the devs i'm sure would respond to well thought out constructive criticism rather than going full snowflake and melting down like the world is ending because a game's dev team makes a questionable design choice.

Like they have for the past 4 years?

[Darkpaw]

Really? Tell that to the machinist mains who begged for changes all throughout 4.0, or the white mage mains who have been salty about rdps utility for god knows how long... or Dark Knights who dealt with dark arts spam for 2 years and were salty about it, there are a hundred different examples of how being salty doesn't solve anything. But hey lets have a freak out rather than try to give them constructive ideas.

"REVERT CHANGES" - why? so astro and scholar can be top dogs again and we can listen to more whm's complain about how they are left behind and never get anything? So astro cards can be back to a coin flip 90 percent of the time with the other 4 cards being niche uses if the stars align for you to be in a good position with any given card? So we can refocus on Green DPS.. these were issues everyone had.. Does the healer DPS kit need some tweaks and add ons.. absolutely.. are cards stale if they are all the same and need some variety.. absolutely... does white mage deserve some rdps utility.. absolutely.. does reverting back to the old system solve any of these.. no.

So while everyone wants to scream and throw a tantrum that a three year old could come up with no real ideas are being brought up that change anything or fix anything.. just more "GO BACK TO HOW IT WAS!" well no.. how it was wasn't great at all.. how it's currently looking isn't exactly fantastic or even objectively better.. we can't really decide whether it's better because we don't know if content design has changed in any significant way. Sorry but I'd rather have a civil discussion to present to the dev team than a spaz driven freak out.