Thread: Healer boycott in 5.0

Originally Posted by Campi

Sure i would also like a more complex Healer DPS Rotation, but as long as there are ppl who don't want to dps as a healer, it needs a change of the mindset in first place..

While I am sure there are people who sincerely believe this, I suspect this is mischaracterizing people who are upset that healers don't focus at all on healing and mostly view it as a distraction from DPS in FFXIV.

Like if that really was the entire issue, it would be trivial to make a viable healer to make those players happy: Just bake DPS into a basic heal weak combo targeting the enemy an ally targets, and frame it as buffing the ally's next attack, so that said healer 'doesn't dps' but still contributes to overall DPS.

I am sure many people would love that job, it probably should exist! But as one of the people who really loves healer in any game besides FFXIV, it doesn't address why I think healer is uninteresting to so many people who heal in other games and why this desire for a healer focused healer to exist.

(While we are at it, we should also get a super awesome complicated DPS rotation healer who has a ton of healing baked into the rotation and mostly heals through that and oGCDs, sorta a Cat Healer Druid ala WoW that one time they accidently gave healer tier healing to a DPS spec. I don't main those classes, but they sure are fun!)

By all means the devs have made missteps, but you all are forgetting one things. While you all stand here screaming homogenization, insulting devs and their design choices, boycotting, insulting each other’s ideas. You are trivializing the whole issue.

Think of it like this. If you made a decision that no one else liked and those people came to you and started screaming at you, insulting you and your decisions, threatening you, etc etc etc how would you respond? Most people would tell that person to take a flying leap off a short cliff. I know i would.

So while I understand hearing just wait and try it just wait and try it is not comforting or reassuring at all. Try not throwing a fit and actually make posts about legitimate concerns and ways to address them. Present them politely and present them as opinions. And realize reverting changes is not going to solve anything come up with new and inventive solutions to give the dev team ideas. Stay positive through the change and dont delve into the salt mines

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

So while I understand hearing just wait and try it just wait and try it is not comforting or reassuring at all. Try not throwing a fit and actually make posts about legitimate concerns and ways to address them. Present them politely and present them as opinions. And realize reverting changes is not going to solve anything come up with new and inventive solutions to give the dev team ideas. Stay positive through the change and dont delve into the salt mines

Square Enix has a history of listening to salty screaming and polite feedback alike when it comes to SCH mains and, belatedly, AST mains. I don't see why they should ignore history for the sake of your sensibilities when there is a reasonable chance of getting back some of their job identity.

Really? Tell that to the machinist mains who begged for changes all throughout 4.0, or the white mage mains who have been salty about rdps utility for god knows how long... or Dark Knights who dealt with dark arts spam for 2 years and were salty about it, there are a hundred different examples of how being salty doesn't solve anything. But hey lets have a freak out rather than try to give them constructive ideas.

"REVERT CHANGES" - why? so astro and scholar can be top dogs again and we can listen to more whm's complain about how they are left behind and never get anything? So astro cards can be back to a coin flip 90 percent of the time with the other 4 cards being niche uses if the stars align for you to be in a good position with any given card? So we can refocus on Green DPS.. these were issues everyone had.. Does the healer DPS kit need some tweaks and add ons.. absolutely.. are cards stale if they are all the same and need some variety.. absolutely... does white mage deserve some rdps utility.. absolutely.. does reverting back to the old system solve any of these.. no.

So while everyone wants to scream and throw a tantrum that a three year old could come up with no real ideas are being brought up that change anything or fix anything.. just more "GO BACK TO HOW IT WAS!" well no.. how it was wasn't great at all.. how it's currently looking isn't exactly fantastic or even objectively better.. we can't really decide whether it's better because we don't know if content design has changed in any significant way. Sorry but I'd rather have a civil discussion to present to the dev team than a spaz driven freak out.

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Really? Tell that to the machinist mains who begged for changes all throughout 4.0, or the white mage mains who have been salty about rdps utility for god knows how long... or Dark Knights who dealt with dark arts spam for 2 years and were salty about it, there are a hundred different examples of how being salty doesn't solve anything. But hey lets have a freak out rather than try to give them constructive ideas.

This is why I said SCH and, belatedly, AST - specifically. Please read instead of freaking out.

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Really? Tell that to the machinist mains who begged for changes all throughout 4.0, or the white mage mains who have been salty about rdps utility for god knows how long... or Dark Knights who dealt with dark arts spam for 2 years and were salty about it, there are a hundred different examples of how being salty doesn't solve anything. But hey lets have a freak out rather than try to give them constructive ideas.

"REVERT CHANGES" - why? so astro and scholar can be top dogs again and we can listen to more whm's complain about how they are left behind and never get anything? So astro cards can be back to a coin flip 90 percent of the time with the other 4 cards being niche uses if the stars align for you to be in a good position with any given card? So we can refocus on Green DPS.. these were issues everyone had.. Does the healer DPS kit need some tweaks and add ons.. absolutely.. are cards stale if they are all the same and need some variety.. absolutely... does white mage deserve some rdps utility.. absolutely.. does reverting back to the old system solve any of these.. no.

So while everyone wants to scream and throw a tantrum that a three year old could come up with no real ideas are being brought up that change anything or fix anything.. just more "GO BACK TO HOW IT WAS!" well no.. how it was wasn't great at all.. how it's currently looking isn't exactly fantastic or even objectively better.. we can't really decide whether it's better because we don't know if content design has changed in any significant way. Sorry but I'd rather have a civil discussion to present to the dev team than a spaz driven freak out.

Did WHM get utility finally!?! Where?

I don't think anyone was asking for the other classes to be destroyed. Only for things to be added to their class. SMH

Originally Posted by WaterShield

Did WHM get utility finally!?! Where?

I don't think anyone was asking for the other classes to be destroyed. Only for things to be added to their class. SMH

Im not saying anyone asked for this im stating that instead of freaking out provide actual feedback and keep doing it without the doom and gloom.

Originally Posted by Darkpaw

Im not saying anyone asked for this im stating that instead of freaking out provide actual feedback and keep doing it without the doom and gloom.

If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to read it. Asking people to "calm down" almost never results in that happening. Continuing to lecture people for being emotional about something, will not lead to you getting what you want.