1.20a tomorrow :D

[Coglin]

So your saying archer is not a DoW?

I see her point as well, I simply disagree with it. There are 4 cross class abilities that can initiate a battle, do damage, or gain some aggro that require 0 TP. I could care less about if they are initially on all DoW or not. This game has the uniqueness of the armory system and the ability to use abilities cross class to better another class.

I could be a right biotch and laugh at the irony of this, but I have no desire to embarrass you.

You might want to check the patch notes.

Light Shot is Archer exclusive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that means it cannot be cross-classed.

Also, could you specifically cite the 4 other non-TP melee attack abilities? I wouldn't want to perpetuate misinformation.

Why not take a shot to embarass me, you have post upon post of incorrect information and comment that embarass yourself.

Thunder (level 1)
Stone Ilevel 1)
Aero (level 4)
Fire (level10)
FLash (level 14)
Provoke (level 14)
Taunt (level 42)

All of which I believe generate TP as well.

Pierce is melee damage. Not my fault you lack the ability to grasp this. you have caster damage and physical damage. In this game DoW and DoM. Ranged or non-ranged is simply the distanced capability of the appplied damage not the "type" or "kind" of damage it is.

[Felis]

We are speaking about skills to get the enemy focus to start a battle without to use a TP skill or AA, right?

Throw Weapon, Flash, Provoke, Stone, Aero, Thunder, Fire

[AdvancedWind]

So your saying archer is not a DoW?

No, I'm saying Light Shot is just their regular attack.

I see her point as well, I simply disagree with it. There are 4 cross class abilities that can initiate a battle, do damage, or gain some aggro that require 0 TP.

Please, enlightmen me to which skills actually deal damage, requires 0 TP and no consumables. Gaining aggro also deals no damage and make no difference when solo or not tanking.

I could care less about if they are initially on all DoW or not. This game has the uniqueness of the armory system and the ability to use abilities cross class to better another class.

Quoted for truth

EDIT: Spells aren't skills and require MP.

EDIT2: What she wants to have in the game is cooldown only DoW attack skills to use while building up TP so there's more "active" ways to deal damage during battle instead of "waiting" for TP to start unleashing moves.

[Elexia]

See, the battle system isn't broken...SE is just balancing it around the people at level cap because they're the ones crying the most. Even when I restarted I feel like the early and mid levels are SO SO SO MUCH BETTER than what it used to be. The battle system isn't an action system because this game is not an action platformer, however it's still very engaging because you actually DO more than just auto attack and WS. Look at the WS, look at lancer. You can easy do a Heavy Thrust combo to enhance the stun (longer duration), run to the left or right and pop off an impulse drive and if you still have TP, do yet another true thrust that will setup the combo even while the cooldown is ticking and you can pop it off on another mob if you're quick enough.

That's just around level 18. It's only "broken" if you're expecting an action game.

[Griss]

Always sticking his tentacles where they're not wanted!

But ya, I'm not sure if that's a general statement about how no matter what SE does, people will complain about it ad nauseam or if it's a I know something you don't know.

I haven't messed with throwing weapons, do they generate much TP?

They don't generate a whole lot of tp but there pretty decent for bridging small gaps when invigorate is on cool down. They don't seem to get in the way of the auto attack cycle either. It's kind of a derpy move not to have some kind of throwing weapon equipped on a melee class if you ask me.

[Felis]

EDIT: Spells aren't skills and require MP.

But they require 0 TP, too and you can equip them as DoW.

[Rowyne]

Thunder (level 1)
Stone Ilevel 1)
Aero (level 4)
Fire (level10)

Spells? Seriously? So... PGLs and LNCs and so on should start becoming casters, now?

One thing I absolutely hated about the original combat system was that my CNJ had to spirit dart like a melee. As a caster, I wanted to play a caster. I'm sure melee would like to be melee.

[AdvancedWind]

But they require 0 TP, too and you can equip them as DoW.

I agree with that. As you can see on the post above this, she doesn't.

[Elexia]

Spells? Seriously? So... PGLs and LNCs and so on should start becoming casters, now?

One thing I absolutely hated about the original combat system was that my CNJ had to spirit dart like a melee. As a caster, I wanted to play a caster. I'm sure melee would like to be melee.

Uh..yeah as a Lancer I do this:

Active mode > Approach mob > Poke mob > Destroy mob.

As a conjurer I do this:

Approach Mob/group > Cast on mobs > Kite mobs > Destroy mobs.

[Coglin]

Spells? Seriously? So... PGLs and LNCs and so on should start becoming casters, now?

One thing I absolutely hated about the original combat system was that my CNJ had to spirit dart like a melee. As a caster, I wanted to play a caster. I'm sure melee would like to be melee.

Whats that got to do with the fact that you claimed such abilities did not exist?

All of the sudden there not valid? You got wise and demanded I share a few abilities that fit the pr-reqs YOU gave. I don't give a rats behind if you like them or not. Ths is the part were you say:

Yes I hadn't played he game far enough to realize these fit my pre-reqs I mentionted to perfect detail, I am wrong.