Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
there is no way minimum ilevel tanks all possess the ability to full pull with any healer, that is just false.

and it is not basic competence to expect a tank to full pull a dungeon if thier conal aoe hate tools cannot hit all the monsters if they do that. In fact i would call that incompetence.

Also, the capability of full pulling is not just based on the tank, but also the healer.

the effectiveness of pulling every monster is also limited based on what type of aoe dps your group has.

basically, at best you are oversimplifying, it is actually fairly rare that simply pulling everything is the best tactic for a tank with a minimum ilevel party.
as an example, when SB came out, me and a friend full pulled ala mhigo in just the job gear given and leveling accs, not a single issue, the damage output of these dungeons arn't that high so if both tanks and heals are using their tools properly there shouldnt be an issue. Also the "type" of aoe dps doesn't matter, all aoe is a gain at 3+ mobs, and all classes do pretty good aoe, and is an even bigger gain with more enemies. Also talking about conal hate tools, Warrior has more than just overpower to draw aggro, they have equilibrium and steel cyclone too, which combines with overpower and target swapping, you can pick up all the enemies with ease