Submersible Information Thread

[Barraind]

Hi!

I can't figure out which parts to build for my two submersibles. I hope you can help me!
I used the calculator that was linked here (https://mr-purrs.neocities.org/subme...arts-calc.html), but I'm not sure which stats I need for what.

I also cannot build many parts (very small FC), so I would like to avoid building parts twice. So for example not two Syldra Aftcastles. And I can't build all the parts available to switch them around for what I want to get. I know that I probably can't efficiently farm items like this, but I also don't need to. I just want to be able to get the items. ^^

I would like to build one sub that can get rare items (So surveillance 135-145? Range min. 64 to get to the last area? Favor min. 105?), and one that is average or can maybe get multiple normal items (Higher range and retrieval - but how much? And still min. Favor of 105?).
Does this even make any sense?
Because when I use the calculator I can't get anything good without overlapping parts. And before I just start to build anything, I would like know what I SHOULD build to make my submersibles not completely useless.

Thank you for your help.

Heres number crunching I did:

You want 105 Favor for higher nodes to get 2nd retrieve chances.

You want high surv to have a chance of getting the rarer stuff.

To hit both kamacite nodes, you need 84 range.
To hit Otter node, you need 39 range.
To hit Otter + 1 Kamacite node, you need 67 or 76 range.
To hit boules + 1 kamacite node, you need 73 or 91 range.
To hit 3-4 Polyp/orchestrion/assorted item notes, you need 88-110 range.

I played with math on stuff and found:

CSySySy is the best setup for hitting Sunken Vault + 1 Kamacite node
CCWSy is the best setup for hitting 3-4 assorted nodes. Its very much a slow, lumbering freighter.
CCWC is perfect for hitting Otter + 1 kamacite. It has the best speed you're going to get on a 105+ favor sub, enough range to hit Deep7 + Trench (it has 70 and needs 67), the surv needed for otter and adequate retrieve for the other node.
CSySyC is probably your best bet if you only want to hit Deep7. 50 range, enough surv and favor and the same 80 speed.


For your situation, the reality is that to hit 105 favor and 130 surv, without tanking retrieval, you're looking at a very few combinations of parts.

https://gyazo.com/18fd042cd18cae5ad6334d5ebc926e79

Theres only one sub build that doesnt use the same class part in multiple slots, and thats

UCSSy
130 surv, 95 ret, 40 speed, 95 range, 115 favor


As an aside, as someone who has done 90% of my FC's ship/sub crafting, its probably significantly cheaper to make multiple coel/whale parts than a single syldra part.

[Limonia]

Heres number crunching I did:
CCWC is perfect for hitting Otter + 1 kamacite. It has the best speed you're going to get on a 105+ favor sub, enough range to hit Deep7 + Trench (it has 70 and needs 67), the surv needed for otter and adequate retrieve for the other node.

Thank you for your answer. It seems easy enough to build (I can't get Kamacite Ore yet, so no Syldra parts yet).
But I've read that you need 145 surveillance to get the otter minion. I don't absolutely need to be able to get it, especially if it's the only item you need so high surveillance for. I searched the thread and multiple sources say 130 is not enough to get it though, but Kamacite can drop if you have only 120 surveillance (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...20#post4897693).
Has anyone gotten the minion with 130 surveillance?

And does anyone know what surveillance you need to get the blue and green crystal boules? I wanted them for a long time now but they are really expensive on the market board.

Is there also minimum surveillance you need for "normal" items, instead of Kamacite Ore and the otter? Or does it not matter for normal items?

[AuricSeagard]

And does anyone know what surveillance you need to get the blue and green crystal boules? I wanted them for a long time now but they are really expensive on the market board.

I got plenty of green boules with a CUYC sub (Surv 155) at Sunken Vault. Only ever got one blue one though, it seems to be a lot rarer than the green.

[duckdynasty]

For the blue/green crystal boules, it appears that 155 is the minimum surveillance to add them to the loot table. As AuricSeagard mentioned he's gotten plenty with CUYC, and in my experience I get plenty of purple but NO green/blue from CCYC (150 surv).

[Limonia]

Thank you both. FINALLY some numbers that are really helpful. ^^

Everyone is like "get 145 surveillance for that stupid otter" when asking what surveillance you need for various rare items. So I take days to gather stuff and then hours to craft everything only to get a ship that can get like extremely high surveillance but doesn't have enough range to get to Sunken Vault because that damn otter only needs like 40 or whatever. And if it gets enough range then favor is too low. Whatever. More crafting then. It's just so annoying that everyone seems only to think in otters and kamacite when it comes to submersibles.

I'll just have to make all parts except for Syldra parts and hope I can get enough. Currently I have all Shark and Unkiu parts, 3 Coelacanth (no stern), 2 whale (bow and that usless hull I made for leveling faster). I need so much more Darksteel Ore again...