Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

[Physic]

Sure

The women locked race is sexy lingerie ladies and the dude locked race are giant power fantasy muscle dudes. And that plays into "gender norms", only serve to eliminate options for those people who want to express themselves in game who might not fall in these gender norms. Like say a tall lithe sexy lingerie man bunny. Or a Giant hulking muscley lion lady.

So that's where it is

Those terms are criticism and meant to inspire introspection, you purely taking it as an insult and not a claim that is made because of an issue. Is a problem

male power fantasy being bulky is questionable at best. The idealized male in most cultures and history is not traditionally bulky. Vierra were vierra since ff12, they were always going to look like that.

also i would question whether either thing is "sexist" being that they exist in a game with many other options. Hrothgar specifically is closest to roe, which is the least popular, and kinda throws your male fantasy to appeal to the masses thing in the garbage.

also, you talk about people that want to express themselves on way as if they have more right to a race than the other groups.

there is one bulky male race, 2 athletic male races, and 3 that are average/slim. it sounds like hrothgar is actually giving people more male options rather than less. And bulky male is far from a gender norm in ff.

[Tharne]

And bulky male is far from a gender norm in ff.

Barret, Kimahri (little bit less bulky than our new Hrothgar) aaaaaand that's all I think.

[Villa101]

male power fantasy being bulky is questionable at best. The idealized male in most cultures and history is not traditionally bulky. Vierra were vierra since ff12, they were always going to look like that.

also i would question whether either thing is "sexist" being that they exist in a game with many other options. Hrothgar specifically is closest to roe, which is the least popular, and kinda throws your male fantasy to appeal to the masses thing in the garbage.

also, you talk about people that want to express themselves on way as if they have more right to a race than the other groups.

there is one bulky male race, 2 athletic male races, and 3 that are average/slim. it sounds like hrothgar is actually giving people more male options rather than less. And bulky male is far from a gender norm in ff.

We aren't talking about history. We are talking about now, and still to this day a muscular ass dude with a giant weapon in modern fiction is the male power fantasy in a lot of ways. And I wasn't suggesting Vierra change, just they included pretty male ones, as well.

2) roe being least popular doesn't throw that away. Because

- There might just be a lot of women and LGBTQ folks who play ff14 and have no interest in playing roe

- The men playing this game might be satisfied enough by how muscular the humans are. Or might find roe visually unappealing for other reasons.

Just because the roe and the lion boys potentially not being successful doesn't mean that they do not fall into that category. Infact it makes me question why SE made this decision in the first place.

No one is claiming people have more right to anything. I'm arguing for inclusion would literally make everyone happy.

ff14 doesn't exist in a vaccume, every mmo has giant muscle orc men. Having one that had more less giant and manly and prittier dudes, is a novel idea that should be embraced. Having more options for things like that is better options, and they could have just added the lion dudes later

[Physic]

We aren't talking about history. We are talking about now, and still to this day a muscular ass dude with a giant weapon in modern fiction is the male power fantasy in a lot of ways. And I wasn't suggesting Vierra change, just they included pretty male ones, as well.

2) roe being least popular doesn't throw that away. Because

- There might just be a lot of women and LGBTQ folks who play ff14 and have no interest in playing roe

- The men playing this game might be satisfied enough by how muscular the humans are. Or might find roe visually unappealing for other reasons.

Just because the roe and the lion boys potentially not being successful doesn't mean that they do not fall into that category. Infact it makes me question why SE made this decision in the first place.

No one is claiming people have more right to anything. I'm arguing for inclusion would literally make everyone happy.

ff14 doesn't exist in a vaccume, every mmo has giant muscle orc men. Having one that had more less giant and manly and prittier dudes, is a novel idea that should be embraced. Having more options for things like that is better options, and they could have just added the lion dudes later

how is it inclusion, if you are saying they shouldnt have made this "male power fantasy" race. How is it a male power fantasy if it isnt actually a fantasy for most males? You realize the concept of the super diesel powerful male is only a thing recently (last 20-30 years) and only in America, and its not even the most common or popular male fantasy. In fact now, its already a rarity. Look up idealized male, and you wont find the majority to be steroid body builders, and very few generally husky males.

if they only had resources/allotment/time/demand for two races, they would have had to make a choice, they cant have everything for everyone. Dont bring gender norms into a game where there is only one large male race and 3 slim male races.


i agree large cat male race probably wont be super popular in FF, because in the ff world large males are the unloved under represented outlier, so it makes no sense in this case to argue that hrothgar is pandering to the norms, and excluding those who prefer slim, prettier males, they already have 3 males for that.

its fine to say you want more, but dont act like FF is all of a sudden some hyper masculine male fantasy because 2 out of 7 male body types are large.

[RainieHana]

No, it wouldn't have "literally made everyone happy", I dont want to see this gross, ugly, stupid bunnyboy in my game. GTFO and live out your weird sexual fetishes elsewhere. Im so glad japan is at least somewhat resisting this disgusting sjw feminist trans nonsense that is destroying the west, and even happier that it's a temporary period of lunacy in human history that will be forgotten soon enough.

I hear you my dude.

[Imuka]

I would of preferred to get an Astolfo race than a Hrothgar. Hopefully somewhere down the line Square Enix has the time to add male Viera and female Hrothgar than never at all.

Sign me up for that.

[Umeikoai]

Sign me up for that.

What happened to your old post? It vanished? I didn't see anything wrong with it?

[Imuka]

What happened to your old post? It vanished? I didn't see anything wrong with it?

Hmmm, that is indeed pretty weird. My Post got deleted, just like the other Posts telling this Homphobic guy to leave.
If there would have been a Problem with the Trademark for Astolfo a Mod would remove the Picture and leave a Note.
Maybe this Homophobic Person felt attacked by it and the Mods deleted it, because...it seems homophobia is allowed but Astolfo not.

But on a moderated Board a Mod should leave a Comment in the empty Post and not just delete it. I did this myself for some time and this is how I was told to handle it.
If there is a Problem with a Picture, delete the Picture not the Post and leave a Note what you did and why.
If there is a Problem with the whole Post, delete the Text and leave a Note what was wrong about it like "deleted for Racism", "deleted for Homophobic behaviour", etc.

Throw Homophobic Comments around and call people fat and ugly. No Mod bats an Eye.
Post a Picture of Astolfo and everybody loses their mind.

[Physic]

So straight males get to live out their sexual fetishes of being surrounded by sexy cat girls bunny girls and elves, but the moment there's a sexy bunny boy ya'll want to get triggered. And to think you're calling people weird and saying they'r lunatics. Good god get a grip

why is it you think male viera is going to be somehow more sexy than any other race? body type wise from concept art it would have been inbetween miquote and au ra. Also, why is your fantasy for bunny bois superior to someone else fantasy for cat men? also what does this have to do with straight or not straight? many groups fantasize about males and many fantasize about females, and there is an even number of males and females.

also, males a generally already in the probably male vierra category, whereas there is only one large stocky male race.


the reality is peoplemare just salty because they didnt get the male type they wanted, which you are free to complain about, but dont act like anyone is being persecuted here. large stocky males are underserved and ignored male type in this game world.

[seros]

why is it you think male viera is going to be somehow more sexy than any other race? body type wise from concept art it would have been inbetween miquote and au ra. Also, why is your fantasy for bunny bois superior to someone else fantasy for cat men? also what does this have to do with straight or not straight? many groups fantasize about males and many fantasize about females, and there is an even number of males and females.

also, males a generally already in the probably male vierra category, whereas there is only one large stocky male race.


the reality is peoplemare just salty because they didnt get the male type they wanted, which you are free to complain about, but dont act like anyone is being persecuted here. large stocky males are underserved and ignored male type in this game world.

>The quote I quoted is someone getting triggered about male bunny buts running aroung
>I never said one was superior than the other, I'm calling out the person I quoted on their hypocrisy
>Female Viera are very simialar to female models we already have in game.
>Sex appeal is subjective, the concept art was a prefect balance between miquote and elezen/aura.