Male Viera... Unsubbing for now.

[Sheriyana]

It's utterly baffling to me that there are a lot of you laughing and making fun of people who are upset about this. "This is nothing new, there's plenty of MMOs with gender locked races". Yeah, so what? In case you didn't know, this is Final Fantasy XIV, gender locked races haven't been a thing since 1.0 and for good reason. Why are you so against giving people more options? How does it hurt you if there's male Viera?

I know there's a lot of hyperbole going around, and that tends to happen when a company makes decisions that make no sense like these. I personally won't unsub over it but my faith in this game has been shaken once again, severely diminishing my excitement for Shadowbringers. I totally respect anyone who feels like they don't want to support SE with this happening. People are allowed to voice their opinion and it's their right as a customer to stop supporting a product they're not happy with. And to the people saying it's ridiculous to get upset over cosmetics, ever heard of the phrase "glamour is endgame"? Cosmetics are one of the most important parts when it comes to any online game, you want your character to stand out and for it to look exactly like you want it to. From MMOs to even basic online shooters, the whole reward systems are based around skins and cosmetic customization.

I want to say it again since I don't think it can be stressed enough, why are you advocating for less content, for less options?

[ThunderGodThor]

It's utterly baffling to me that there are a lot of you laughing and making fun of people who are upset about this. "This is nothing new, there's plenty of MMOs with gender locked races". Yeah, so what? In case you didn't know, this is Final Fantasy XIV, gender locked races haven't been a thing since 1.0 and for good reason. Why are you so against giving people more options? How does it hurt you if there's male Viera?

I know there's a lot of hyperbole going around, and that tends to happen when a company makes decisions that make no sense like these. I personally won't unsub over it but my faith in this game has been shaken once again, severely diminishing my excitement for Shadowbringers. I totally respect anyone who feels like they don't want to support SE with this happening. People are allowed to voice their opinion and it's their right as a customer to stop supporting a product they're not happy with. And to the people saying it's ridiculous to get upset over cosmetics, ever heard of the phrase "glamour is endgame"? Cosmetics are one of the most important parts when it comes to any online game, you want your character to stand out and for it to look exactly like you want it to. From MMOs to even basic online shooters, the whole reward systems are based around skins and cosmetic customization.

I want to say it again since I don't think it can be stressed enough, why are you advocating for less content, for less options?

Okie dokie, cosmetics are true end game- delete mogstation then :3

[Sheriyana]

Okie dokie, cosmetics are true end game- delete mogstation then :3

I don't know what the mogstation has to do with any of this. The phrase means that the endgame is making the perfect outfits for your character and at "endgame" you have access to most options since you don't have to worry about being restricted by level. And yes, the outfits can also consist of mogstation pieces.

[ThunderGodThor]

I don't know what the mogstation has to do with any of this. The phrase means that the endgame is making the perfect outfits for your character and at "endgame" you have access to most options since you don't have to worry about being restricted by level. And yes, the outfits can also consist of mogstation pieces.

I'm not trying to turn this into a debate about the mogstation, been there way too many times. But you said that glamor is the true endgame, and I agree- folk should be able to make there character look exactly how they want. But a cash shop is still a barrier when it comes to glamor, in the same way that gender exclusive races are. Can't have it both ways. If cosmetics is your argument, then open the races to both genders, and make everything on the mogstation available in game.

[Sheriyana]

I'm not trying to turn this into a debate about the mogstation, been there way too many times. But you said that glamor is the true endgame, and I agree- folk should be able to make there character look exactly how they want. But a cash shop is still a barrier when it comes to glamor, in the same way that gender exclusive races are. Can't have it both ways. If cosmetics is your argument, then open the races to both genders, and make everything on the mogstation available in game.

I mean I sure don't have any problem with making mogstation items available ingame if that's where you were going at, by all means.

[ThunderGodThor]

I mean I sure don't have any problem with making mogstation items available ingame if that's where you were going at, by all means.

And I hope one day soon, you get to play as a bunny boi or big beefy lion woman. :3

[Sheriyana]

And I hope one day soon, you get to play as a bunny boi or big beefy lion woman. :3

Aww, thank you! I was a little bit interested in male Viera myself. I don't really care for most of the male counterparts of races in FFXIV, they're all either too beefy or too tall. There's not really a race that fits the typical FF male main character archetype lookwise, all of them are quite slim and not that muscular. I was hoping maybe male Viera would fit into that, and if it didn't, no harm done I have my female Au Ra. I'm sure there's people who would have enjoyed male Viera no matter how tall or muscular they turned out to be.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

It's utterly baffling to me that there are a lot of you laughing and making fun of people who are upset about this. "This is nothing new, there's plenty of MMOs with gender locked races". Yeah, so what? In case you didn't know, this is Final Fantasy XIV, gender locked races haven't been a thing since 1.0 and for good reason. Why are you so against giving people more options? How does it hurt you if there's male Viera?

I know there's a lot of hyperbole going around, and that tends to happen when a company makes decisions that make no sense like these. I personally won't unsub over it but my faith in this game has been shaken once again, severely diminishing my excitement for Shadowbringers. I totally respect anyone who feels like they don't want to support SE with this happening. People are allowed to voice their opinion and it's their right as a customer to stop supporting a product they're not happy with. And to the people saying it's ridiculous to get upset over cosmetics, ever heard of the phrase "glamour is endgame"? Cosmetics are one of the most important parts when it comes to any online game, you want your character to stand out and for it to look exactly like you want it to. From MMOs to even basic online shooters, the whole reward systems are based around skins and cosmetic customization.

I want to say it again since I don't think it can be stressed enough, why are you advocating for less content, for less options?

Im more laughing that people are threatening to unsub, or are just flat out unsubbing over a Gender of a race...that Lorewise, is pretty secluded and nonexistent in all FF lore from the getgo. People are mad that they can't get what they want, even if it wouldn't make sense for it to happen.
Assuming everyone who is upset is from the West.....it just shows how bad Gender Politics are that people are mad at a Japanese game over a western issue.

If you enjoy this game, the Genderlocked race shouldn't be an issue. Understandably a Disappointment...but not an Issue.
And if it is a big enough issue to make you unsubb, then I question why you still played the game till this point.

[Sheriyana]

Im more laughing that people are threatening to unsub, or are just flat out unsubbing over a Gender of a race...that Lorewise, is pretty secluded and nonexistent in all FF lore from the getgo. People are mad that they can't get what they want, even if it wouldn't make sense for it to happen.
Assuming everyone who is upset is from the West.....it just shows how bad Gender Politics are that people are mad at a Japanese game over a western issue.

If you enjoy this game, the Genderlocked race shouldn't be an issue. Understandably a Disappointment...but not an Issue.
And if it is a big enough issue to make you unsubb, then I question why you still played the game till this point.

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

[Senliten]

Well this is the same nonsensical lore nonsense that people have been spewing here for pages. It makes as much sense for there to be male Keepers and Duskwight Elezen as it does male Viera, all of them are incredibly rare when it comes to lore and it makes no sense lorewise for there to be running thousands of player characters playing as them. Why is male Viera different now all of a sudden? Gender politics don't even need to be taken into account to see that there is a problem, we haven't had gender locked races since 1.0, why is it okay now?

You do remember that during one of the lore sessions they did state that all those others are just mere adventurers right? As in they walked off the beaten path of the racial norm? Given there is only one Warrior of Light and all that

Male Viera is also a creation of FF12, Respect and wishes of the FF12 team were taken into consideration clearly with this during Ivalice's creation in 14. Which once again, if anyone were to create a male Viera, it should be them. (The FF12 team)

Also lore wise, they have their reason, but it can easily be a guise for developmental reasons. And of course, SE love to keep with the fantasy aspect for why and not say 'because we have not many people on our team', do you know the possible outrage that would occur if they said it was due to 'development'? Would be a bloodbath