Gender locked race?

[BillyKaplan]

If they're gender locked I'll keep playing sure, I'll stay subbed, but I'm still going to throw a tantrum - I am a child wanting my bugs bunny doll.

There're more ways to hurt SE's pockets than just ubsubbing though. The Fantasia sales they'll be missing out on if the races are gender locked, for one - I have an alt I'd have Fantasia'd into a Feol boy in a heartbeat, and another alt that's going male Viera regardless of what design they'll go with if we get bunny boys. I like to ping pong on my main so that's some bunny-boy Fantasia they'll be missing out on if they're gender locked, and that's just me.
Then all the Mog Station outfits people would've gotten for those character, Fantasia'd or new. And then there's just people being so grumpy about it they'll boycott the Mog Station until SE wins their favor again.
There's more to us being paying customers than just keeping subbed, and seeing how sub money doesn't even come back to XIV as much as the Mog Shop cash does, they have more than enough motivation to keep players not just pacified enough to keep subbed, but also actively happy to the point they'll spend those extra kupo nuts.

[Wolfyboy]

Sure, for tera there's the Aman and Popori. Bless had the Pantera multiple people put out there earlier. Perfect World had the one tiger people. I haven't played too many Kmmos because they're mostly free to play but those are just the ones I've seen. I don't know which races are "played" since I play this game.

I decided to do some research on populations. The biggest issue is that this discussion primarily focuses on the races male population over the females which makes these not the most useful information.

https://www.engadget.com/2014/09/09/...nts-gives-gif/
The Untamed are the beast race of the game but the females are basically like Miqo'te, so despite the 19% boasted on them it is basically useless information unless you want to assume due to the population being 51% female and 49% male that the race has a 9% male population, however, without more detailed information we won't know.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...XPs/edit#gid=5
This is the only one of Tera that I can find that doesn't break down male or females either. It only has 823 people and it was 7 years ago. I don't think they ever made an official race population statistic during the games run, but based on the poll Aman were 10.6% of the population.

http://www.teradevtracker.com/archive/?discussion=21997
Tera again and this is closed beta specifically in NA which has Aman at 13% with no break down of male/female with the races.


I can't find anything about Bless online race stats.

[Lacan]

No. You're wrong. The vast majority of people asking for it are probably people who are nostalgic for Ronso and assume it'll be similar but not the same. I don't think the furry community is large enough in general to be the "vast majority" of anything. Let's not beat around the bush though. You're stating that Hrothgar shouldn't be a thing because "ew gross furries" "let's keep that in wow" and you're biased towards bunny boys. It's simple as that.


Seems to me like you're downplaying people that want Hrothgar's opinions.. hmm. Maybe revisit this post you made before.

I think you're confused about what I've been saying a bit Cica. I have no problem with Hrothgar at all, I just doubt they're going to make Hrothgar a very beastial looking race like ronso. I expect something more in the middle of the scale than that. Like others have suggested, something more like Byakko. A human face but with other animalish traits. I'm just not expecting a race that is completely covered in fur with a ronso like face.

[Alesone]

Okay, this is what gets me. If they wanted to add more players then why pick a 'lion' out of everything else, when ESO - their competitor who also has a big expansion happening around the same time as Shadow Bringers - is based in Elsywer which is the land of the Khajit race which is basically a less cartoony version of 'Ronso' minus the horns + a crapton of subraces which includes a 'Miqo'te' type breed?

I don't know, maybe because lions are popular? You keep bringing up ESO like it's something SE wouldn't risk releasing something similar which is a bit ridiculous. When they decided on the new race it was long before any kind of announcement for ESO's expansion. They aren't going to just throw out work they've started and decided on just because some competitor may have something similar coming. Especially with MMO's that are notorious for copying aspects of competing products. ESO already had Khajit, the expansion being set in their homeland has virtually no impact on what kind of race FFXIV would choose to add.

Nothing like having a race that reminds you of your competitors 'games' during a battle for more subs.

Unless your version looks a lot better and has more interesting aspects about it, which isn't hard against Elder Scrolls anything.

[cicatriz313]

I decided to do some research on populations. ...

Yeah the problem with comparing race stats in those types of games is there tend to be like really sexy female toons that dominate the playerbase since those games are more geared towards like.. looking good lol aka lootbox opening. So while there's more people as a certain race, it's like that usually because they're playing the female versions.

Edit: Also I think for perfect world the race was tied to a class or something so that would be skewed too.

[Wolfyboy]

Yeah the problem with comparing race stats in those types of games is there tend to be like really sexy female toons that dominate the playerbase since those games are more geared towards like.. looking good lol aka lootbox opening. So while there's more people as a certain race, it's like that usually because they're playing the female versions.

Edit: Also I think for perfect world the race was tied to a class or something so that would be skewed too.

Oh, I agree with you. It's a shame that I can't find anything concrete, but if I did the leg work I might as well share what I found anyway. lol

[cicatriz313]

I think you're confused about what I've been saying a bit Cica. I have no problem with Hrothgar at all, I just doubt they're going to make Hrothgar a very beastial looking race like ronso. I expect something more in the middle of the scale than that. Like others have suggested, something more like Byakko. A human face but with other animalish traits. I'm just not expecting a race that is completely covered in fur with a ronso like face.

I mean, I think the main differences between Byakko and Ronso are in the face, so since we aren't getting "Ronso" that could be it. That would still be a very beastial race though and it still would not be furry bait.

[Lacan]

but I still have my doubts about that Hrothgar screenshot someone posted. :v First of all, the quality is awful. There is a giant screen glare, and it just looks like a roe in a robe with their back to the viewer.

I mean, I think the main differences between Byakko and Ronso are in the face, so since we aren't getting "Ronso" that could be it. That would still be a very beastial race though and it still would not be furry bait.

Byakko isn't quite as beastly as the Ronso are. His hands and feet are still pretty human looking. He's still more beastial than the races we have now, but it isn't to pandaria levels of furry bait. That's what I meant. I'm not expecting SE to go that far with the Hrothgar.

[Gwenorai]

I don't know, maybe because lions are popular? You keep bringing up ESO like it's something SE wouldn't risk releasing something similar which is a bit ridiculous. When they decided on the new race it was long before any kind of announcement for ESO's expansion. They aren't going to just throw out work they've started and decided on just because some competitor may have something similar coming. Especially with MMO's that are notorious for copying aspects of competing products. ESO already had Khajit, the expansion being set in their homeland has virtually no impact on what kind of race FFXIV would choose to add.



Unless your version looks a lot better and has more interesting aspects about it, which isn't hard against Elder Scrolls anything.

You're not getting the point that I'm trying to make. It's why would you genderlock it when the competitors have a similar race that isn't gender locked when you're both trying to attract a certain market during a release of your new expansions? The fact ESO already has Khajit and has added on them for years upon years. And then add in a new location that hasn't been properly visited where said location will pander to said race. The 'feline beast race' is in their favour right from the get-go as we've heard nothing about Hrothgar yet other than leaks - though that will change come FF, obviously. But really, does it seem smart to hinder your expansion with a genderlock, not just one but two? How are you going to attract the market that supposedly wants the beast race when a good portion of them aren't even going to be catered for due to a gender lock? And even then; those that are subbed are also met with this genderlock where they can't fantasia to a specific gender of these new races.

Nowhere did I state that my argument was, 'lol square should scrap what they've made due to ESO' - no. It's 'What can we do to overcompensate and make a profit?'.

Yeah - I'm sure FF can have the spin-off Ronso completely trump Khajiit in every shape way or form - even with half the race missing due to genderlocks. That was sarcasm if it wasn't obvious - the two aren't comparable. Not even Ronso and Khajiit are comparable in the lore department - would be actually unfair to compare them.

[MrKimper]

Right this is what I initially was looking for.

Edit: Also I'd like to say it's not that I dislike whatever hrothgar would be so much that I don't want them in the game if they do get in, since any new lore/content is good content to me, I just dislike people being so irrationally dismissive to people who want or are hopeful for male viera and trying to paint the portrait that hrothgar in concept is this long requested race comparatively. It's rather disingenuous.

We obviously haven't seen everything about the viera yet, again they have no sub-racial render which is odd if the models used in the reveal trailer WERE the sub-racial model, and I find it hard to believe if they're GENDERLOCKING two races they'd also remove their subraces unless they're planning some BIIIG customization options.

I think whatever side you're on, be open to them discussing or speculating. If hrothgar people want to talk about how they can't wait for their bara cats, let them, if male viera people want to talk about how they can't wait for their bunbois, let them. If people want to talk about the genders being genderlocked and what that could mean for them in the future, of course that is also valid (and the topic of the thread) practice courtesy, not condescension is all.

That being said when friday hits as long as we see more gunbreaker(or even a bunbreaker) I've already won honestly.