Gender locked race?

[Alesone]

We do? Well spank my butt and point me in the direction of the attractive hunk race - or did you mean default race 'Hyur'. Really though, that's all 'opinion' you can't say that a specific race caters to the 'females' in regards to 'straight women are attracted to this.' If the argument is; 'women that play female toons' then yes, look at all the races that have attractive female characters - that dudes like to play. I'm one of the females that don't play as a female toon - I know many more. Shrug. Again, all down to opinion.

I mean, they clearly got you didn't they? You're here playing the game and you'll likely keep playing the game even if whatever is coming isn't catered to your taste. So why would they necessarily need to cater something to your taste if they already have your membership? They clearly already have options in the game that sold you and that you play as.

People are making claims the game has a larger percentage of female gamers, which means their existing options have been enough to appeal to that demographic in a way to make it a larger portion of the playerbase population, which is fine. But the name of the game regarding MMO's is often getting new players. If they feel they've gotten enough of a certain playerbase demographic it makes complete sense for them to try and capture a market audience they might not already have, rather than cater to only their existing ones.

[Lacan]

That would have been an argument had they not released an expansion with only dps jobs. You'd think they would have wanted to keep their tank and Healer playerbase happy considering their retention is crucial to keeping the game healthy given how dependant the game is on the trinity.

There also wasn't a new race added in stormblood either, guess they felt they didn't have to cater to the players there either.

They already have those players playing the game, they already won them over with existing races. It makes complete sense for them to try something to appeal to a wider market, they want to increase their player count and if they feel targeting a certain market that they haven't really grabbed is the best way to do it they will.

I don't really get what you're saying here. Doesn't the fact they released an expansion with only dps jobs support my argument? DPS players are the vast majority of the playerbase. More people play DPS than tanks/heals so giving us two DPS jobs was actually catering to the majority of the playerbase?

The point of the "fanfest" is to celebrate the game with the "fans." Player retention is one of the biggest concerns when running a mmo. Keeping the players they have happy and engaged is just as important as attracting new players to the game. I can't imagine they'd design a brand new race to add to the game that is only going to appeal to a very small subset of people and make lots of the current players go "wat?"

But SE has done a lot of stupid stuff, so it could very well happen. :v Just from my point of view, I don't think it is likely at all. I mean even the leaker told us not to expect ronso.

[Gwenorai]

That would have been an argument had they not released an expansion with only dps jobs. You'd think they would have wanted to keep their tank and Healer playerbase happy considering their retention is crucial to keeping the game healthy given how dependant the game is on the trinity.

There also wasn't a new race added in stormblood either, guess they felt they didn't have to cater to the players there either.

They already have those players playing the game, they already won them over with existing races. It makes complete sense for them to try something to appeal to a wider market, they want to increase their player count and if they feel targeting a certain market that they haven't really grabbed is the best way to do it they will.

Okay, this is what gets me. If they wanted to add more players then why pick a 'lion' out of everything else, when ESO - their competitor who also has a big expansion happening around the same time as Shadow Bringers - is based in Elsywer which is the land of the Khajit race which is basically a less cartoony version of 'Ronso' minus the horns + a crapton of subraces which includes a 'Miqo'te' type breed?

Considering that Elsywer is going to be visited properly for the first time or rather not in horrifically outdated graphics -Elder Scrolls Arena; and it's bad 2004 graphics - why would you put a good portion of your eggs into one basket regarding it? How from a business standpoint does that make sense? A gender locked 'Hrothgar' isn't going to attract that market to such a huge extent when said market can literally be playing a different MMO that has more lore, background, isn't gender locked and doesn't require a sub?

From a business point of view that sounds extremely silly - already people are making jokes about Hrothgar due to the Elder Scrolls 'High Hrothgar' - such facepalming is to be had. Nothing like having a race that reminds you of your competitors 'games' during a battle for more subs.

And folks can't argue that Elder Scrolls doesn't have a presence in Japan, or that they're completely blind to the existence of its competitor in the western market.

[Crushnight]

I mean, they clearly got you didn't they? You're here playing the game and you'll likely keep playing the game even if whatever is coming isn't catered to your taste. So why would they necessarily need to cater something to your taste if they already have your membership? They clearly already have options in the game that sold you and that you play as.

People are making claims the game has a larger percentage of female gamers, which means their existing options have been enough to appeal to that demographic in a way to make it a larger portion of the playerbase population, which is fine. But the name of the game regarding MMO's is often getting new players. If they feel they've gotten enough of a certain playerbase demographic it makes complete sense for them to try and capture a market audience they might not already have, rather than cater to only their existing ones.

See i get the point but using your very logic in your posts i then ask why add female Viera? they had plenty of races already in game that caters to the same demographic as female Viera so why add them oh right player demand to cater to those already playing the game so why cater to half(metaphorical half) existing players while not catering to the other half(again metaphorical)

[cicatriz313]

Okay, this is what gets me. If they wanted to add more players then why pick a 'lion' out of everything else, when ESO - their competitor who also has a big expansion happening around the same time as Shadow Bringers - is based in Elsywer which is the land of the Khajit race which is basically a less cartoony version of 'Ronso' minus the horns.

Considering that Elsywer is going to be visited properly for the first time or rather not in horrifically outdated graphics -Elder Scrolls Arena; and it's bad 2004 graphics - why would you put a good portion of your eggs into one basket regarding it? How from a business standpoint does that make sense? A gender locked 'Hrothgar' isn't going to attract that market to such a huge extent when said market can literally be playing a different MMO that has more lore, background and isn't gender locked?

From a business point of view that sounds extremely silly - already people are making jokes about Hrothgar due to the Elder Scrolls 'High Hrothgar' - such facepalming is to be had. Nothing like having a race that reminds you of your competitors 'games' during a battle for more subs.

And folks can't argue that Elder Scrolls doesn't have a presence in Japan, or that they're completely blind to the existence of its competitor in the western market.

I think people who play ESO will continue to play ESO and people who play this will play this. They're not really the same type of MMO at all so I think people who want that actiony type of MMO will go there and vice versa. I honestly don't think the ESO expansion plays into their decision-making at all, and really it was probably established as a lion race way before any of us knew about the ESO Khajiit expansion. I mean we know from the literal game screenshots that Hrothgar are a thing and that they're getting a mane, so I feel like there is very little room to argue against a lion race being what's coming lol.

[Lacan]

Anyone who says that you have to be a "furry" to want a beastial race in an mmo is being ridiculous. So that's what I'm "on about". Honestly what was the point of your post?

Oh come on now, I don't see the point in beating around the bush. :v We all know where the real demand for a full on beast race is coming from. I mean just look at the huge furry community WoW has. I'm sure there are people here and there who want a beast race just for the sake of it (and that is completely valid too!), but the vast majority of the people asking for that specifically are furries.

Search your heart. You know it to be true.

[Gwenorai]

I think people who play ESO will continue to play ESO and people who play this will play this. They're not really the same type of MMO at all so I think people who want that actiony type of MMO will go there and vice versa. I honestly don't think the ESO expansion plays into their decision-making at all, and really it was probably established as a lion race way before any of us knew about the ESO Khajiit expansion. I mean we know from the literal game screenshots that Hrothgar are a thing and that they're getting a mane, so I feel like there is very little room to argue against a lion race being what's coming lol.

Wasn't arguing against the race - It's more, why throw away an already established 'half of a race' to add something else in, and then 'gender-lock it'. If you want to attract more players it seems counterproductive to slap a gender-lock on them as already those new players who are attracted by the new race are shoehorned into one specific gender. No one likes limitations. If we're going by the 'furry' community or whatever - how many would want to play as a female 'Ronso-like-race' etc, just shakes me shake my head at the logic of it. Especially since this is just going to lead to even more demands if they're locked. There was going to be demands regardless, but you get where I'm going. I mean, I'll take ESO for an example - during my time in the game I saw so many 'female khajiit' and 'female Argonians' - folks certainly do play as female 'beast races'.

I know when I looked at MMOs gender locked races had me going 'Nope' and turning away to play something else. In regards to FF because I started playing again after they got rid of that silly gender restriction and some other irritations that spoiled it for me. I don't know, I'm petty - things like this can really just make me grunt. If they're gender locked I'll keep playing sure, I'll stay subbed, but I'm still going to throw a tantrum - I am a child wanting my bugs bunny doll.

[cicatriz313]

Oh come on now, I don't see the point in beating around the bush. :v We all know where the real demand for a full on beast race is coming from. I mean just look at the huge furry community WoW has. I'm sure there are people here and there who want a beast race just for the sake of it (and that is completely valid too!), but the vast majority of the people asking for that specifically are furries.

Search your heart. You know it to be true.

No. You're wrong. The vast majority of people asking for it are probably people who are nostalgic for Ronso and assume it'll be similar but not the same. I don't think the furry community is large enough in general to be the "vast majority" of anything. Let's not beat around the bush though. You're stating that Hrothgar shouldn't be a thing because "ew gross furries" "let's keep that in wow" and you're biased towards bunny boys. It's simple as that.

I'm sure there are some people that would prefer a lion race, I'm not saying there aren't. What I'm saying is that people have expectations after being shown female Viera. Being able to meet those expectations would be the smart thing to do, that's pretty undeniable. I get that you want to downplay this and make it seem like it isn't a big deal, but it is a big deal to a lot of people. People like to assume that just because they aren't personally invested in something it doesn't matter.

I really don't get why people wanting male Viera bothers you so much Cica. What do you gain from constantly trying to tell them something they care about isn't important?

Seems to me like you're downplaying people that want Hrothgar's opinions.. hmm. Maybe revisit this post you made before.

[Alesone]

I don't really get what you're saying here. Doesn't the fact they released an expansion with only dps jobs support my argument? DPS players are the vast majority of the playerbase. More people play DPS than tanks/heals so giving us two DPS jobs was actually catering to the majority of the playerbase?

More people play dps but they are far from being a vast majority. On the high end they're at around 60% of the playerbase, meaning almost half the players are comprised of tanks and healers. Even then dps can be broken down, as some people will only play melee dps, with melee dps percentages being equivalent to tank or healer percentages. Same goes for casters etc.

The point of the "fanfest" is to celebrate the game with the "fans." Player retention is one of the biggest concerns when running a mmo. Keeping the players they have happy and engaged is just as important as attracting new players to the game.

And as we just pointed out they won't always cater to the entirety of their playerbase. Half their playerbase didn't get catered to with the stormblood jobs, just like some of their playerbase won't be catered to with whatever race they added.** Stormblood didn't cater to any players regarding races as no new race was added, meaning they are fine with not catering to that demographic 100% each expansion at all.

I am full well aware of how important player retention is for MMO's which is I was personally baffled when stormblood released with no tank or healer jobs when realistically it should have at least covered 2 of the 3 roles at the very least.

I can't imagine they'd design a brand new race to add to the game that is only going to appeal to a very small subset of people and make lots of the current players go "wat?"

This is an assumption though. You assume it will only appeal to a very small subset of people. The same assumption could be made about male viera as well, which could have been their reasoning for potentially not going forward with male viera. But we don't know what form this race may take and it could end up appealing to a lot of players.

[cicatriz313]

Wasn't arguing against the race - It's more, why throw away an already established 'half of a race' to add something else in, and then 'gender-lock it'. If you want to attract more players it seems counterproductive to slap a gender-lock on them as already those new players who are attracted by the new race are shoehorned into one specific gender. No one likes limitations. If we're going by the 'furry' community or whatever - how many would want to play as a female 'Ronso-like-race' etc, just shakes me shake my head at the logic of it. Especially since this is just going to lead to even more demands if they're locked. There was going to be demands regardless, but you get where I'm going. I mean, I'll take ESO for an example - during my time in the game I saw so many 'female khajiit' and 'female Argonians'.

I know when I looked at MMOs gender locked races had me going 'Nope' and turning away to play something else. In regards to FF because I started playing again after they got rid of that silly gender restriction and some other irritations that spoiled it for me. I don't know, I'm petty - things like this can really just make me grunt. If they're gender locked I'll keep playing sure, I'll stay subbed, but I'm still going to throw a tantrum - I am a child wanting my bugs bunny doll.

Yeah, I'm not in agreement that this is in some way pandering to some furry community like that other posted said, I'm just saying I don't think ESO has any bearing on Hrothgar being a thing. I am sure plenty of people will use the genderlocking as a vehicle to complain to get male Viera. I just think at this point what is coming is coming.