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    NahuNa's Avatar
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    Nahu Crouu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Actually not to get in the middle of this but what you are referring to isn't misogyny, at least not the part I believe you are referring to.

    What this is is actually Misandry, which is the term to describe dislike of men. Male Viera would be misandry, female Hrothgar would be Misogyny.
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

    Actually, the hatred of male viera IS misogyny, because it's the hatred of feminine features on a man. The man isn't the problem - the problem is this man resembles women too much. Misandry is not real.
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    Moenliht Ghimbharsyn
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by NahuNa View Post
    Misandry is not real.
    ........Oh.
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    Zunde Esteed
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    Quote Originally Posted by NahuNa View Post
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

    Actually, the hatred of male viera IS misogyny, because it's the hatred of feminine features on a man. The man isn't the problem - the problem is this man resembles women too much. Misandry is not real.
    If ever there was a shining beacon of somebody not arguing in good faith this would likely be it.
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    Eloah's Avatar
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by NahuNa View Post
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

    Actually, the hatred of male viera IS misogyny, because it's the hatred of feminine features on a man. The man isn't the problem - the problem is this man resembles women too much. Misandry is not real.
    No its misandry, because the term is about the sex not the features. If someone hates those kinds of features on a Male that's stereotyping. Not hating them cause they are Male, but because they are not the "ideal" male.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    Misandry doesn't exist by virtue of the term involving a position of power. It's ingrained into a lot of those terms. A person of color can be bigoted towards white people in America, but it makes them bigoted, not racist - they don't have a position of racial power over the person they're bigoted towards. That's why Misandry is a concept you're not really going to run into often, if at all.
    I wont say you are "wrong" but that doesn't change the fact that misandry is the proper term to use. It's like saying "reverse-racism" which does not exist, because true "reverse-racism" would be hating your own race, not another one.

    Bit I am sure we can all agree we don't want this to turn us against eachother and start a gender/race war, irl at least. Let's just make SE aware that what they did was wrong, especially after they "fixed" it last time.
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    Last edited by Eloah; 03-23-2019 at 06:30 PM.
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    faris_minamino's Avatar
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    Naoh Lyehga
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    Omega
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    I hope they add a future patch to fix this, gender lock it's always been a really bad idea. I want delicate boys and strong women, I want to choose what to be. I'm a girl that plays as a handsome miqo'te. Let me choose!!! D:
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    Novak_04's Avatar
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    Zugz Zwang
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    It's Blizzcon 2k18 all over again.
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    Gareki Yukimura
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    I am posting here as well in the hopes that the feedback is heard, but I do not think the decision to gender-lock each race was wise after ARR famously overturned what they did in 1.0 by making the races available and accessible for all genders. This seems like a giant step backwards in making these equal for all players, and it is tread upon territory to have yet another race where the females are elegant and attractive while the males are large, beastly, and muscular. I really hope they consider our opinions and create extra genders for both races.
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    cicatriz313's Avatar
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    Fayt Azuresky
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    Midgardsormr
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    Rogue Lv 80
    Lmao you guys are crazy. They cheered after he was finished talking. The delay was because he was talking... It's called courtesy. Keep in mind it's Japan.
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    Cerise Amari
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    Midgardsormr
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    I have never been so disappointed and gutted about what is/isn't going to be included in a game before. Watching that keynote was like a bad case of whiplash, tbqh. Watching the trailer and ingame footage of the new areas was so hype worthy, then finding out Dancer isn't going to be a healer was disappointing, and then the lack of Male Vierra? And the Hrothgar, and lack of female with them? Seriously. I never played 1.0, but i am starting to understand how they felt back then with gender locks. Terrible. I have no motivation to keep playing FFXIV at the moment, and I have loved this game since 2.x days.
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    Last edited by DollNy; 03-23-2019 at 02:01 PM.

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    Klair Gawain
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 80
    It's an incredibly bad idea to have a gender-locked race- if that was the case, why were male miqo'te added when lore-wise they're supposed to be born even less than the females? Please consider giving us male Viera and female Hrothgar too- Mithra and Galka had an outcry and this stance hasn't changed. We don't want to be limited in our options. It's also unfair that it goes into gender stereotypes of elegant and sexy women and buff and muscular men- sure, it's a fantasy, but this sort of tone-deaf take on what was an incredibly popular demand for years is really upsetting after the steps FFXIV took to stand out and be inclusive with Eternal Bonds, for one. It's very disappointing and I hope this will be reconsidered.
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