Il Mheg 1/2 of two mirrored zones?

[fay2]

Alexander's "dream" is not a dream at all but a computer simulation explained in poetic terms - alongside the factual one.

There was no alternate timeline that had to be erased - those "worlds" never truly existed, but were merely simulated. Alexander calculated all the possibilities of what might happen.

It calculated a possibility that the Illuminati would win and enact their plan.

It calculated a separate possibilty that it could interfere in the timeline and avert the Calamity.

But in the end it concluded that it should not change anything at all.

Sure your take on Alexander.
I look at it from a butterfly effect stand point. Every time a jump was made to alter history the previous past to that point could be describe as little more that a dream or a delusion for anyone who didn't do the time jump.
Its a machine and it thinks in calculations and it still needs to get the data from somewhere.
Plus instead of make a heap of jumps and through try a failure like in butterfly effect, it calculated the best point to stop it all and jumped to it.

It went straight to the start of time travel and said "I hate you" to Quickthinx Allthoughts lol

The "single time" that Alexander acted is a little vague, but was either our brief trip through time, or (more likely) deliberately sending Shanoa/Schrödinger out to keep the time loop "on track".

That one time was in this sequence of events.





Alexander time jumped in from where ever in time you feel it was to this moment to stop time travel.
I feel it jumped from the "dreamed" history lost after stopping time travel here

Then the overall timeline would look something like:

(( [1.0]---[ARR]---[HW]---[SB]---[5.0 TIME A]---[6.0]---[7.0]---[etc.] ))------???-------(( [5.0 TIME B]---[6.0 time plot] ))

Future stories in the main timeline just keep happening in the 'red bubble', always being placed prior to the first event in the 'blue bubble'. They'll never join up or overlap.?"

Not even a slide but more a BOOM
Out comes and Consequence are meaningless

Things yet to happen in the "past" in its future expansions wont haven taken effect in the "future"'s past form the start.

It has stunted any farther story telling in the "past"

However what your suggesting the isn't time travel because they never join .

You've been fooled into thinking its time travel but they aren't connected by time. What you have here is dimensional travel where one dimension looks like it might be the future of the other but it is not the case because changes made in the other past like dimension don't have an effect on the future dimension, they are separate dimensions .

[Iscah]

Not even a slide but more a BOOM
Out comes and Consequence are meaningless

Things yet to happen in the "past" in its future expansions wont haven taken effect in the "future"'s past form the start.

It has stunted any farther story telling in the "past"

However what your suggesting the isn't time travel because they never join.

That's the complete opposite of what I'm intending - and perhaps why this conversation is going nowhere if you are picturing such a different outcome of what I am trying to explain.


The timeline as I mapped it is intended to be the timeline as it would appear to an outside observer. If we time-jump from 5A to 5B, the events of 6.0 onwards - despite being unknown to us - will have already taken place. We skipped over them and haven't personally experienced them yet, but they happened. Adding more expansions and stories means that the list of "things that happpened in the main time bubble" keeps getting longer, but is not directly constrained by the future bubble's existence.

That's what I mean by the bubbles "never joining" - within the course of the game, that is. Of course time has to progress between them at some point, but it strictly happens between the two bubbles of events that we directly experience.

However many new stories get added to the game, they are officially happening in "Year 1 of the Seventh Astral Era", five years after the Calamity.

If the time skip was a short one - let's say only three years, a deliberately small number for the sake of this argument - then it would logically seem that we should start hitting that bubble quite soon, simply by counting how much time should have passed during events of the story. But we never actually would because of the narrative time bubble rules, 6, 7, 8.0 would still be set in Year 1, and the future bubble remains located in Year 4.

At the opposite end of the scenario, if time was counted normally in the story, but the timeskip took us a hundred years into the future... it would be pretty safe to say that those two time periods would never join up in the course of the story, but that wouldn't stop it from being time travel.



For a more focused example of why I was proposing this idea in the first place... the Crystal Tower plotline again.

(( [ARR]---[CT1]---[now]---[5.0 TIME A]---[CT2]---[END] ))---- time passes ----(( [5.0 TIME B] ))

The Crystal Tower rightfully happens at the point CT1, but it's possible that the player hasn't done that at its intended time. If they complete it at some future point after playing 5.0, then it happens at point CT2, still within the standard time bubble.

Regardless of when it happened, at the "end" of the time bubble, located after all the events that will ever be set in the normal time of the game, then G'raha must be currently sealed in the tower at that point. (Assuming there wasn't a reason to have already let him out, in any case.)

Then we jump to a point in the timeline that is definitely located after that event. So we can be sure that the event happened from an observer's perspective (or G'raha's perspective, for that matter), even if we haven't seen it happen ourselves.


That's the same logic I'm applying to entire future expansions. We haven't experienced 6.0 yet, but if that story is set in the normal time bubble then it will have taken place before we reach that "end of the bubble" point. And the "hypothetical future bubble" is located after that end point.

You've been fooled into thinking its time travel but they aren't connected by time. What you have here is dimensional travel where one dimension looks like it might be the future of the other but it is not the case because changes made in the other past like dimension don't have an effect on the future dimension, they are separate dimensions.

Only by your version of thinking. I am arguing that in this design of time travel, changes in the past do affect this future - or rather, they already have affected this future. We don't get to "meddle" with things in the future time bubble by changing things in the past, because those attempted changes have already had their effect "before" we did it (from an outside perspective), because all we did was change something in a slightly later section of the past. It's all just "the past" as far as the future bubble is concerned.



This is all based on the type of time travel logic that I see in effect in the Alexander storyline - but if you don't even see that the same way, then I'm not sure that we're ever going to come to an agreement on this, because we're not actually talking about the same idea.