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    Quote Originally Posted by fay2 View Post
    Yes I can understand this, why have dimensional travel at all?

    That stems from "the Fae"

    Mythology, Folklore and Faerie tales involving the Fae have another "worlds" in heavily woven into the fabric of the stories. Which people are spirited away to, or slip between realms as two commonly used component to their stories.
    By other "worlds" not a physical place on the map like say "the new world" where we got blue mage from but a different plane/dimension.

    Also I hope they take it as a chance fix the Cú Chulainn issue.
    The number of Irish that ive know that stop playing after seeing Cuchulainn is quite high.
    We already know the Fae are going to be a beast tribe. There is nothing to indicate that they won't be anything other then what the rest of the beast tribes are. IE: a race of sentient beings that are not the player races.

    Final Fantasy in general takes from the mythology of many, many cultures in broad strokes and puts its own spin on them. Shiva is always female and never male (and where did associating her with ice come from?). Odin has a katana with a Japanese name instead of a spear. Quezacotl is a lighting bird instead of a feathered snake. The list goes on. Assuming anything in Final Fantasy is in any way similar to what it is named after in real world mythology will leave you disappointed every time.

    It stands to reason that we need to understand the bigger picture of the realm which to date is very limited on the plains of existence , those shards are important part to the realm as a hole.

    The story has remained rather aloof about the calamities effects on those shards. We all have assumed knowledge from the titbits the MSQ has dished like everyone dies on a shard as its rammed back into the source. Traveling to one that's verge of calamity and understanding what is really at stake makes for a eye opening story.
    We actually know a lot more then you are making it out to be. Besides, what goes on on the other Shards doesn't really matter compared to what goes on on the Source. In an ideal world, the Shards would never have been created in the first place, or barring that, the Shards would never know that the other Shards exist. That we know they exist at all is a sign of how broken the current world has become. It's enough for the story to know that every time a Calamity happens, the aether that consists of a Shard is Rejoined to the Source. We don't really need to know more then that to know that is something that shouldn't be happening.

    Hydaelyn seems to be about preserving individuality by the means of maintaining barriers between different things. This would be everything from the barriers between people's souls (bodies) to the barriers that keep the Shards distinct from each other. The Ascians (and probably Zodiark) are mainly about forcing everything to become one thing by pulling down those barriers. Which results in the loss of any given thing's individuality. Whether that be an individual's individuality or an entire dimention's doesn't really matter to them.

    There are tones of things that need to be dealt with and fleshed out in the realm world. There are 3 major land masses we have yet to go to on the source, or the end of this coming expansion things like Limsa's privateers if the southern sea board edge of Othard's coast is liberated might have to come to a head. As what targets do they have that they can still pirate? or for that matter what do the ships they pirate look like? To date the only craft we've seem and can call Garlean and air based {outside of the little boat in the ruby sea but that was more likely the red kojin's}. We have learned they those air based ones have a "limited" range, so maybe they have an exploration of Meracydia underway and still need sea vessels in the southern oceans.
    Ironically, everything in this paragraph lists very good reasons that dimensional travel or time travel will not happen. Why go anywhere new when there's still so much stuff in our current location to explore? As it is, there are answers to these question either in the game or in other supplemental material, particularly the lore books.

    Ilsabard seems to be based off of Europe and the northern part of Asia, specifically Russia. The New World has lots of early American influences and we also know that the Mamol Ja and Hyur live there. Mercydia sounds a lot like Australia. If the Warring Traid are anything to go by, then we'll probably find Hyur, Elezen, Roegadyn, dragons and some sort of sentient plant race there.

    Lima's privateers are probably the best navy in the known world. Yes, even better then the Garleans. The Garleans don't put a priority on sea control and as of the end of 4.4, their airship presence has greatly diminished in Othard. While they do have a navy, it mainly stays close to the Othardian/Ilsabardian coast which leaves the deep sea route from Aldenard to Hingashi wide open for Eorzea to make use of. If Carvalian's ship is anything to go by, Limsa's privateers are making use of Garlean ceruleum engines (and maybe other tech) to have an even easier time fighting against the Garleans. It's worth mentioning that Garlemald doesn't sound like it has a huge coastline while it does have a large land presence, while Limsa is basically a floating nation. The Limsans have depended on the seas for their entire nation's history, while the Garleans have probably never had to bother with it. From the Garlean's perspective, they have a lot of catch-up work to do to figure out how sea warfare works.

    We also know from Koji and Oda that the Garleans are only interested in conquering the three great continents. So long as the island nations don't cause them problems, they are more then happy to leave them alone. Which would be why Hingashi and Thavanir actually can get non-aggression pacts with Garlemald. Garlemald wasn't even interested in conquering them in the first place.

    but it all boils down to the not half assing the Fae for me.
    If that's what you are hoping for, I predict that you will be very disappointed. Given our present knowledge, they seem to be little more then a slyph reskin down to potentially not having a malevolent primal. I will be pleasantly surprised if they turn out to be more then that, but I don't really have my hopes up.

    The main reason I'm against any kind of dimensional travel happening is that the requirements for all dimensional travel that has taken place has been very, very strict and specific. The only character on our side who could dimension travel so long as the current requirements do not change is us. No on else qualifies (and it would involve us dying and possessing a different body to boot). Given that the trailer and art of the next expansion make it seem like the rest of the Scions are very involved in what is going on, I don't think it's very likely that we will be going to a place where they currently can not follow us to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    We already know the Fae are going to be a beast tribe. There is nothing to indicate that they won't be anything other then what the rest of the beast tribes are. IE: a race of sentient beings that are not the player races.
    1st up in FFXIV "The Fae" is not a beast tribe. It is a language like "Dragonspeak"

    You've confused the Fae with the Pixies

    If "The Fae" is like "Dragonspeak" as was mentioned at the Fanfest, then the coming expansion's MSQ plot will revolve heavily around it's speakers like HW did for dragons.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    Final Fantasy in general takes from the mythology of many, many cultures in broad strokes and puts its own spin on them. Shiva is always female and never male (and where did associating her with ice come from?). Odin has a katana with a Japanese name instead of a spear. Quezacotl is a lighting bird instead of a feathered snake. The list goes on. Assuming anything in Final Fantasy is in any way similar to what it is named after in real world mythology will leave you disappointed every time.
    Yes I am aware of this. I'm not them. They still take issue with CúChulainn just being a poison filled bile spewing tentacle monster.
    I can understand the issue they have with it would however be like they had named it maybe Jeanne d'Arc or Maui.


    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    We actually know a lot more then you are making it out to be. Besides, what goes on on the other Shards doesn't really matter compared to what goes on on the Source. In an ideal world, the Shards would never have been created in the first place,
    From the Ascian point of veiw yes and Ideal world makes for a poor story.


    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    Ironically, everything in this paragraph lists very good reasons that dimensional travel or time travel will not happen.
    Yes because I don't think the hole expanstion will happen off the source.
    I think we'll get 2 that are off the sources' plain dimention that means there will be more story on the source.


    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    The main reason I'm against any kind of dimensional travel happening is that the requirements for all dimensional travel that has taken place has been very, very strict and specific. The only character on our side who could dimension travel so long as the current requirements do not change is us. No on else qualifies (and it would involve us dying and possessing a different body to boot). Given that the trailer and art of the next expansion make it seem like the rest of the Scions are very involved in what is going on, I don't think it's very likely that we will be going to a place where they currently can not follow us to.
    Ignoring G'raha and Nero journey to the 13th.

    Yes, I have thinking about that for a long time.

    the main thought that has come to mind is

    This is the 1st time the scions have been exposed to this "place".
    Maybe Midealyn has gifted them before she left for the 1st?
    Similarly as we when there for the 1st time.

    That only leaves Y'shtola out of the picture, but then she was adrift in the lift stream for quite a while maybe Midealyn gifted her then would help explain how she stayed herself there.
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