Please no more Eureka!

[Leanna]

Your main issue is you classify Eureka as non-causal content because you do not like it. Your personal rating of enjoyment of the content isn't a proper basis of this classification. Eureka is casual end game content in that everyone is free to do it at their own pace (or apparently not do it at all based on your earlier comments). A relic is not a requirement or entitlement or needed to progress in any aspect of the game. Eureka does not require premades and set strategies with the possible exception of BA however honestly unless the general quality of players has cratered since FFXI, I wouldn't see premades and elaborate strategies as a requirement on that either since even things like dynamis, limbus, etc were entirely doable with PuGs and almost nothing said in text chat other than normal basic conversation.


As I've said in other threads about various other things. If you don't like a certain content then don't do it. However do not complain about not being given things to do when the cause is your own choice and decision to not utilize everything given. There are certain activities in game I don't particularly care for. However if I'm looking for something to do and nothing else comes up I will still do it.

The problem isn't consider Eureka casual or not. Eureka is the worst of game design and simply bad content. Anemos was ok for casual players, and Pagos totally dropped make them drop. Because let's not forget what Eureka is, a sponge-mob grind, punishing and tedious, literally the only thing you do is kill the very same mobs for hours with little to no variation.

And about "However do not complain about not being given things to do when the cause is your own choice and decision to not utilize everything given.", Eureka needs more time, dedication and patience than any other content to get to the point.

"However if I'm looking for something to do and nothing else comes up I will still do it. "
Good for you if you are a conformist and you are happy with anything that is thrown at your face, people pay a sub and are in their right to demand quality content and not this lazy mess.

Devs should care about the community, listen to feedback and react, the worst community is a conformist one that doesn't care about anything.

As an example, you have Digital Extremes, devs of Warframe, they do listen to the community because they know that without community, they are over. And there is a lot of communication and respect between players and devs. SE either lives in a bubble where everything is pink and perfect, or refuse to listen.

Better content is beneficial for everyone, even for those who will conform with doing the same FATE 9000 times for a shiny stick.

[Alucard135]

people pay a sub and are in their right to demand quality content and not this lazy mess.

They listened and stopped with the lazy mess they did before, which is the previous relic quests' style.

[Leanna]

They listened and stopped with the lazy mess they did before, which is the previous relic quests' style.

Good, now they should keep listening and stop with the actual lazy mess we got.

[Alucard135]

Good, now they should keep listening and stop with the actual lazy mess we got.

I wouldn't call it actual lazy mess, since the previous style was the actual lazy mess. You might call Eureka the current lazy mess because yes, it did have some lazy design decisions in it, but it still had "lots of resources" put in it as you and others said here. So logically it can't be lazier than the previous relic style, which only reused old content.

Now they should keep listening and improve it even more!

Surely the best outcome from this in ShB would be to have a Eureka weapon as well as an outer weapon rather than one or the other and gloating over the other group?

I wouldn't object to that at all and said so many times. The previous relic design didn't really use any resources except making the cutscenes and the weapons (excluding the ARR trials). I'm only objecting to the statement that Eureka is a lazy design and the previous style, that used more than 90% old content, is not.

[Leanna]

I don't get why we can't just go both ways, though. I enjoyed the old method a hell of a lot more than Eureka, for example, and feel I've now lost content I was looking forward to. Eureka and the prior relic steps are far enough removed that it's less an evolution and more a replacement.

I wouldn't object to that at all and said so many times. The previous relic design didn't really use any resources except making the cutscenes and the weapons (excluding the ARR trials). I'm only objecting to the statement that Eureka is a lazy design and the previous style that used more than 90% old content is not.

Since Eureka came out I have done one ARR relic, one HW relic and now I'm making my fourth ARR relic with my partner, NIN (for me) and WHM (for my partner), because glamour wise, they are perfect. Meanwhile, we couldn't bother to finish leveling Pyros nor finished a Pagos relic because of the awfuly boring grind for light, right now just by following the train you can get crystals faster than doing dragons, still can't be bothered. And after see the gifs of the ilvl 405 we were sure the effort wasn't worth it, at all (unless you play DRK/WAR/BLM). And I will stab anyone claiming the monk and scholar relics are any good.

The other side of Eureka or the bait, hairstyles/emotes/minions/mounts/furniture, no point in do Eureka since you can buy them from MB, which is what I did because fuck lootboxes. There is no discussion that Eureka is lazy design, but compared to HW for example, we can say it is more "elaborated" and not as lazy, but personally, relics being just and pretty much exclusively a fancy glamour, I don't think something as Eureka is needed for a relic, something ARR style is more fitting imo, use so many resources to make 4 instances with mechanics and everything involved isn't worth a glowing weapon. And there is no discussion about hairstyles/emotes/minions/mounts/furniture being a bait to lure people in.

If SE wants to make Eureka style content, imo they should get the relic out of it and rewards like hairstyles/emotes/minions/mounts/furniture (I still don't understand why new furniture doesn't go to crafters, but wte SE), be more creative and make something more fitting for this kind of content. Also, I don't understand why would they make something like Eureka when the huge and pointless areas we get with new expansion only have a few sidequests, gathering nodes, fates and not much else. I don't see the point of creating huge instanced areas when you can do that in your "open world" areas and actually change the game and make something new, refreshing and engaging with those areas, because there is no point to visit any area unless you need to gather/do maps(what happened with Canals?!)/hunts.

Someone suggested add vistas and what not to Eureka, but we already have the huge areas we get, just that they are a waste as how they are right now.

IMO they shouldn't do instanced stuff like Eureka, but fix the game and make the "open world" more alive, with more stuff to do than go gather/hunts/sidequests, there is no need for Eureka if they make the world right.

But at the end of the day I guess the excuse is "the server will explode" and instanced maps are the only way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and it's a shame because there is so much wasted content.

[Alucard135]

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Yes, take all rewards from Eureka and give nothing to anyone that is doing it. /s
So just because you don't like a content, you don't want any rewards put in it. Isn't that selfish? How about this then:

For 0.00$ now you can have your own SB relic quest style and completely with no rewards!!
1- Defeat all SB trials in hard mode
2- Do fates in all SB areas and each time you finish one, run a random number generator and if the value is less than 2%, then you win an imaginary item in that map, so you can go on to the next one.
3- After completing all maps run all SB dungeons and obtain another imaginary item from them if RNG value is less than 30%
4- Gather over 10,000 tomes of mendacity and spend them on another set of imaginary items
5- Farm duties for an imaginary light where you need to get 2000 light points and the maximum you can get is 128 points from doing savage raids.

There, now. Would you do all that with 0 rewards now? Since it's "fun".

And since you asked about why didn't they do Eureka in the current open world, just imagine the outcry if mobs can one shoot you there (and dangerous mobs were an aspect that Yoshi P wanted).

For the 280 weapon from Emergency Weapons you have to understand that you basically had to win the lottery in order to get an ilvl 280 weapon you had to:
1) Beat the Emergency Mission
2) Be one of the lucky people to get said weapon out of 100+
3) Having it roll god stats is even less likely
4) The weapon itself had an extremely low drop rate as well
5) Coven weapons had no materia slots

Yes, I realize how ridiculous it is. Even Yoshi P said that the chances of getting that OP weapon is like finding a coin in a casino floor and using it to hit the jackpot. At least the Pyros stats are easier to achieve if you're aiming for something close to the raid weapon. But the 1000 substats, that's gonna be hard to get (I have a friend that has his 405 RDM relic with 555crit and 355DH so a total of 910 substats lol).

[Leanna]

You totally missed the point.

[Alucard135]

If SE wants to make Eureka style content, imo they should get the relic out of it and rewards like hairstyles/emotes/minions/mounts/furniture

Yes, I totally missed the point here.

[Crushnight]

. And after see the gifs of the ilvl 405 we were sure the effort wasn't worth it, at all (unless you play DRK/WAR/BLM). And I will stab anyone claiming the monk and scholar relics are any good..

A lot of what you say is very subjective to you but for the love of Hydalen calm down you would metaphorically stab someone for having a different opinion to you there is over exaggeration and then there is what you just said so do yourself a favor and go calm down before you say anything else that is that stupid

[Leanna]

A lot of what you say is very subjective to you but for the love of Hydalen calm down you would metaphorically stab someone for having a different opinion to you there is over exaggeration and then there is what you just said so do yourself a favor and go calm down before you say anything else that is that stupid

It was obviously a joke, duh. We could focus on the subject at hand instead of on the anecdote.

Btw, there is nothing subjective on the monk relic. It's the ugliest weapon ever made in FF.