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    Khuja'to Binbotaj
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriyana View Post
    Obviously a hardcore PvPer wouldn't be called a casual, he'd be called a hardcore PvPer, I think that distinction is allowed since one is hardcore in PvE content and the other in PvP, I wouldn't call either any less hardcore.
    Its almost as though Hardcore content vs. Casual content is a misnomer created by the community. Hardcore players exist, as do casual players, but content is not created for them. Content is created with a spectrum in mind. Hardcore raiders do the hardest raids, casual players do the NM and 24 man raids, hardcore PVPers do ranked feast, casual PVPers do frontlines, Hardcore Eurekans do BA and min max their gear, casual Eurekans fate grind and get their weapon at their own pace.
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    I'muka Mahsa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Its almost as though Hardcore content vs. Casual content is a misnomer created by the community. Hardcore players exist, as do casual players, but content is not created for them. Content is created with a spectrum in mind. Hardcore raiders do the hardest raids, casual players do the NM and 24 man raids, hardcore PVPers do ranked feast, casual PVPers do frontlines, Hardcore Eurekans do BA and min max their gear, casual Eurekans fate grind and get their weapon at their own pace.
    And this is something that starts to bore me out in 14. Easy Mode and Hard Mode.
    There is nearly nothing in between.
    Maybe the single ex Primal per Patch.
    Either you go for Savage and mostly need a Static or you go for the 24 Player Raids, that are just faceroll Content.
    Expert Roulette is from my View even for the most casual Players underchallenging in every way.

    Sometimes, all you want is a Dungeon, that is a bit more challenging and requires you to play serious, but you do not need to tryhard the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imuka View Post
    And this is something that starts to bore me out in 14. Easy Mode and Hard Mode.
    There is nearly nothing in between.
    Maybe the single ex Primal per Patch.
    Either you go for Savage and mostly need a Static or you go for the 24 Player Raids, that are just faceroll Content.
    Expert Roulette is from my View even for the most casual Players underchallenging in every way.

    Sometimes, all you want is a Dungeon, that is a bit more challenging and requires you to play serious, but you do not need to tryhard the whole time.
    I agree I wish we had something in the middle for Mid-Core players this game is sorely lacking it, the game goes from handholding to Savage where it's night and day. I honestly wish we had something like Mythic+ in FFXIV from WoW that way you can have a challenge while having rewards and gear while providing weekly challenges, there has to be a middle ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awful View Post
    I agree I wish we had something in the middle for Mid-Core players this game is sorely lacking it, the game goes from handholding to Savage where it's night and day. I honestly wish we had something like Mythic+ in FFXIV from WoW that way you can have a challenge while having rewards and gear while providing weekly challenges, there has to be a middle ground.
    And the Devs try to fill this Gap in a bad way at the moment, from my View.
    They try to simplify Savage so much, that it becomes something people call Midcore Content.

    But with this Strategy they do it wrong on both ends.
    Midcore Players do not want Savage to be their Midcore Content, because you often still need a Static and can just play it once per Week.
    And the Raiders feel underchallenged and clear it in less than 2 days.

    Nobody feels satisfied with that in any way.

    More difficult Dungeons would be a really good solution for this Problem.
    Call it Roulette Expert+.
    I would rework Dungeons from all over the Patches of the last Years. Not just from the last Addon we got.
    I think, many people would like to replay older Dungeons with a higher difficulty.

    Maybe 1-2 per Patch and just let that List expand over time.
    And when we hit more than 10 Dungeons just let them rotate, so that there are always 10 Maps, but not the same ones every day.
    I have seen people say "Oh gosh, just 2 Dungeons and we got the same one 4 times in a row".
    But I can not imagine a Person saying "Oh gosh, there are just to many Dungeons in this Roulette. Pls SE reduce the Number from 10 to 2 so that we can play the same over and over again.".


    Also some of the Stages of something like HoH or Potd could be seen as Midcore Content, but they are locked behind dozens of Stages of Brain Afk boredom with RNG Layers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imuka View Post
    Also some of the Stages of something like HoH or Potd could be seen as Midcore Content, but they are locked behind dozens of Stages of Brain Afk boredom with RNG Layers.
    As someone with 5 HoH clears under their belt, HoH is midcore content and the more difficult dungeons you are seeking. I don’t know where you’re getting that it’s rng based, its pretty straightforward if you’re familiar with mechanics and how the dungeon works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupa View Post
    As someone with 5 HoH clears under their belt, HoH is midcore content and the more difficult dungeons you are seeking. I don’t know where you’re getting that it’s rng based, its pretty straightforward if you’re familiar with mechanics and how the dungeon works.
    It becomes a Midcore Content after you cleared those super easy Stages of that Place.
    But always going through a Brain AFK Part, to have some mid Level Difficulty fun is just bleh in the long run. And you can't really rush the boring Part, because of some RNG things. Which are fun when you reach Floor 50 and above. But at 1-30 they are like a hurdle in your way.

    There are Rules to the Layout, but there are still random Elements, in a good and bad way.
    The good thing, it makes it feel less repetetive, the bad thing it can create situations, that can feel cheap by the Game and give the Player a feeling of being cheated by the Game.
    I got killed two times solo between 70-80 by a Mob suddenly spawning in my back. Not a Patrol Mob, a new Spawning Enemy.
    So something I could not know or play around.
    And it felt cheap at that moment. A calculated fight that I would win, turned into a chaotic mess and I got killed.
    It felt exactly like the cheap designed STR Units in Fire Emblem that come without any real message of reinforcements. They suddenly spawn in your back and your squishy Mages get killed.

    Over time, I gave up, because this place came just like the POTD came with no protection in case of a Disconnect while playing it.
    I made several more tries, just to get stopped at something between 50-70 often.
    Playing it Solo was fun, but fearing to lose your Progress at every split second turned it into a bad experience.
    And those can just happen at to many places in the whole Line between the Player and the Server. And in the most cases my PC did not show any sings of any Disconnect in any way.

    I have absolutly no clue, why they did not implement something to protect that progress.
    Just let the Player rejoin like in normal Dungeons. So, if you disconect at a safe place, you could just continue after rejoining the Game.
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    Last edited by Imuka; 02-24-2019 at 05:17 AM.