Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

i feel like people saying they need to be masculine to be great killers obviously never felt the rath of a bitchy queen.
We will kill you in one shot for sure.

Nah, I think it's more about taste really. Bitchy queen is going into the whole sexuality thing. While a masculine dude can still be 'homosexual' - which actually is pretty interesting. Imagine being a homosexual male Viera who is forced to live in that lifestyle. Would they have to breed? Would they just NOT go into the villages during that time? Are they forced to? But meh...

Yeah, I'd rather they weren't looking like a stereotype - those are pretty damaging in themselves.

I mean, how would people view them/want them to look like if they weren't counting their sexuality into it? I would still want them to be masculine and powerful looking just off of going off the lore.

[Roda]

After -ahem- "borrowing" someone's lovely height reference, I've sketched out my ideal m/f viera (outfits taken from the HW artbook)

[Shougun]

After -ahem- "borrowing" someone's lovely height reference, I've sketched out my ideal m/f viera (outfits taken from the HW artbook)

Hrothgar at 100, lets go!!!!!!

Also a neat chart, thanks for sharing .

Want to say they both look like females to me, or at least the left is a very dolled up (makeup+) male lol. The art surpasses my own either way though so nice job

[Tsumdere]

Nah, I think it's more about taste really. Bitchy queen is going into the whole sexuality thing. While a masculine dude can still be 'homosexual' - which actually is pretty interesting. Imagine being a homosexual male Viera who is forced to live in that lifestyle. Would they have to breed? Would they just NOT go into the villages during that time? Are they forced to? But meh...

Yeah, I'd rather they weren't looking like a stereotype - those are pretty damaging in themselves.

I mean, how would people view them/want them to look like if they weren't counting their sexuality into it? I would still want them to be masculine and powerful looking just off of going off the lore.

I don't like men and I want them to be taller and powerful because tiny bun boys doesn't seem right considering their lore at all... That being said, SE will do whatever they want because they already butchered Xaela women in particular.

[Roda]

Hrothgar at 100, lets go!!!!!!

Also a neat chart, thanks for sharing .

Want to say they both look like females to me, or at least the left is a very dolled up (makeup+) male lol. The art surpasses my own either way though so nice job

That's the next goal.

And I took inspirations from fashion model contouring (and a bit of JJBA tbh @@) and birds of paradise, where the males are naturally more flashy than the females. And in a society where the females never really get a chance to spend time with and assess the males, what better way of sexual selection is there than being really really pretty?
I took his build from Michelangelo's statue of David for peak Fit Dude (tm).
and thanks!

[Shougun]

That's the next goal.

And I took inspirations from fashion model contouring (and a bit of JJBA tbh @@) and birds of paradise, where the males are naturally more flashy than the females. And in a society where the females never really get a chance to spend time with and assess the males, what better way of sexual selection is there than being really really pretty?
I took his build from Michelangelo's statue of David for peak Fit Dude (tm).
and thanks!

If they go the route of SUPER SEXY males then it would be pretty funny/great to see some females be jealous and having difficulty handling it, perhaps the most fabulous males causing both general populace males (non-viera) and females to swoon for them (as if they emit some seductive aura) - optionally the player character can respond in this quest (not to take agency away from the player, but to let them be part of it too if they wanted).

In a general "if I was making my own race" to play as myself I'd never pick the above to play as, but it really doesn't bother me that it exists and I can find humor in having fun with the idea (like above, sexy bombshell male causing a small riot when entering town). Perhaps that's why they have to leave the village, the female Viera cannot stop and the males have to keep themselves safe lol (in the Viera society males are the stereotypical sex object, rather than the females).

In fact I might find it neat if it was that way for diversity of visuals, but if only Hrothgar meets what I hope it to be since I know I want to play something more beastly and I feel the diversity is missing out on that as well (ideally we get both beastly male and female visuals (Hrothgar) and exorbitantly sexy male and female (Viera), because why not lol).

Although, of course, I don't speak for others who may have wanted a more masculine Viera as I've seen. Like the lion-viera we talked about many pages ago - I may have played a male viera if it was like that, which of course puts me in the bind when talking about feminine Viera in that "I think it'd be cool if you got that, but only if I got what I want too" lol. I'm not so far deep into this that I'd unsubscribe if I didn't get what I wanted though, I've just really wanted it for a while :P.

I do think for lore sake though that something extreme has to happen to males, either they become super aggressive and strong so they must leave or they become so damn attractive that they have to leave because Viera will overpopulate their own forest otherwise.. but I just can't fathom "nothing happens, and they get kicked out". If they look just like their 13 year old self/no puberty action then I just can't help but think "Viera, your society is broken - why are you so weird?" lol.

Something about male Viera has to be different, imo, than the pre-puberty 13 year old self (like the sexy bird route or hyper aggressiveness). I'm just having issues seeing it any other way :3.

[JamiaHaab]

You overthinking the concept of male Viera as much as Yoshi-P.

[Shougun]

You overthinking the concept of male Viera as much as Yoshi-P.

I think that train died 209 pages ago, at this point we're in lala land

Long way till March, where we're going there might be no coming back lol.

[Roda]

If they go the route of SUPER SEXY males then it would be pretty funny/great to see some females be jealous and having difficulty handling it, perhaps the most fabulous males causing both general populace males (non-viera) and females to swoon for them (as if they emit some seductive aura) - optionally the player character can respond in this quest (not to take agency away from the player, but to let them be part of it too if they wanted).

In a general "if I was making my own race" to play as myself I'd never pick the above to play as, but it really doesn't bother me that it exists and I can find humor in having fun with the idea (like above, sexy bombshell male causing a small riot when entering town). Perhaps that's why they have to leave the village, the female Viera cannot stop and the males have to keep themselves safe lol (in the Viera society males are the stereotypical sex object, rather than the females).

In fact I might find it neat if it was that way for diversity of visuals, but if only Hrothgar meets what I hope it to be since I know I want to play something more beastly and I feel the diversity is missing out on that as well (ideally we get both beastly male and female visuals (Hrothgar) and exorbitantly sexy male and female (Viera), because why not lol).

Although, of course, I don't speak for others who may have wanted a more masculine Viera as I've seen. Like the lion-viera we talked about many pages ago - I may have played a male viera if it was like that, which of course puts me in the bind when talking about feminine Viera in that "I think it'd be cool if you got that, but only if I got what I want too" lol. I'm not so far deep into this that I'd unsubscribe if I didn't get what I wanted though, I've just really wanted it for a while :P.

I do think for lore sake though that something extreme has to happen to males, either they become super aggressive and strong so they must leave or they become so damn attractive that they have to leave because Viera will overpopulate their own forest otherwise.. but I just can't fathom "nothing happens, and they get kicked out". If they look just like their 13 year old self/no puberty action then I just can't help but think "Viera, your society is broken - why are you so weird?" lol.

Something about male Viera has to be different, imo, than the pre-puberty 13 year old self (like the sexy bird route or hyper aggressiveness). I'm just having issues seeing it any other way :3.

Tbf I wouldn't play viera either, well I would, but as an alt. Too married to my blue cat :P

I'm also of the mind that XIV NEEDS a beastly race, I just don't think we should shoehorn that role onto Viera men. The design would look just too artificial and be yet another "men be scary, women be models" trope which is boring and needs to die. I DO want hulking cat men and women tho. (Not Roe style where women are kinda strong humans and men are freaking meat walls, no lets get some comparable skeletons going on here!(roe women are great tho don't get me wrong))

Though I disagree that something extreme has to happen. Moonkeepers have nothing happen and they still kick out the men. It could just be how they do. Tho I do like the idea of them kicking the men out to just curb the LUST and the males are so aggressive because of the frustration that lifestyle brings.

[Shougun]

Tbf I wouldn't play viera either, well I would, but as an alt. Too married to my blue cat :P

I'm also of the mind that XIV NEEDS a beastly race, I just don't think we should shoehorn that role onto Viera men. The design would look just too artificial and be yet another "men be scary, women be models" trope which is boring and needs to die. I DO want hulking cat men and women tho. (Not Roe style where women are kinda strong humans and men are freaking meat walls, no lets get some comparable skeletons going on here!(roe women are great tho don't get me wrong))

Though I disagree that something extreme has to happen. Moonkeepers have nothing happen and they still kick out the men. It could just be how they do. Tho I do like the idea of them kicking the men out to just curb the LUST and the males are so aggressive because of the frustration that lifestyle brings.

What a problem to have. "I've been exiled for being too great . . . please gofundme".

Also I understand what you're getting at with moonkeepers but I'd also suggest to keep in mind that if /nothing/ happens then male Viera will look like children. Moonkeeper males still go through puberty. Although I get you were suggesting "doesn't have to be extreme" , so maybe we can agree nothing happening is a bit awkward but how much something is up to discuss.