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  1. #2031
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unpronouncable View Post
    So it was rather stated as a justification for having there only be one child-model for Viera as opposed to two (does this game even have non-Hyur child models?). I mean sure, though I don't see how a single child model would make much of a difference.
    Elezen, miqo'te, and au ra children are all around in various areas.
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  2. #2032
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unpronouncable View Post
    So it was rather stated as a justification for having there only be one child-model for Viera as opposed to two (does this game even have non-Hyur child models?). I mean sure, though I don't see how a single child model would make much of a difference.
    It could be yeah lol. Also I think it might be to better explain why the males are allowed in the village until puberty, at which point their change is enough that their society has been built around the idea of males leaving the city for good reason.

    Although I just want to make sure and be clear my IMO was a very strong imo. I disagree with you but I'm not saying you have to be 100% factually wrong, you could be very well right as well . We're having fun with opinions :3.

    I think its stated because the males will look quite different than the females, basing it off a more extreme human puberty.. But I could be wrong!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    As to the why, based on some speculation I've read, it probably has something more to do with the way certain parts of their anatomy manifest, which is consistent with how this functions in rabbits, but I don't wish to say much more about it here.
    Actually might make a fun topic on gender lol, if it can double back into male viera being unlocked or locked.

    If you know something special at least- I just looked it up and I guess male bunnies get hyper aggressive at puberty and females become very territorial. Although that doesn't sound like the most unique to rabbits change, but it would circle back into the lore and perhaps why males live basically alone past puberty (and why they treat intruders with extreme prejudice, and further why females are not interested in outsiders either). Also why the females stick to their forest, mostly.

    Males live with society just fine until they hit puberty in which point they're removed not out of hate but because their system works better that way, it's better the men are outside and about rather than at home with how they "are". Biology helping create/define the Viera life style, Viera didn't design this males out at the age of 13 system out of "wouldn't it be great if we kicked them out?" but because it just works better that way.
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  3. #2033
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Also I think it might be to better explain why the males are allowed in the village until puberty, at which point their change is enough that their society has been built around the idea of males leaving the city for good reason.
    Or it could be that the males remain in the village up until their society notices they aren't growing any bigger as opposed to the females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    Or it could be that the males remain in the village up until their society notices they aren't growing any bigger as opposed to the females.
    And the logical response to that would be.... kicking them out into the wild...? "smol boi smoll, get out of village, go live in forest now". I feel that those two concepts are counter to each other, personally at least lol.

    However if the males become hyper aggressive and capable long-term survival fighters then kicking them out would be fairly logical, just please come back for mating season bois.

    Aggressiveness, survival, fighting, these tend to line up with a masculine appearance (although I think it'll be close to the SE concept art and not like.. BEASTMODE "can't tell if you're a viera" lol).

    Especially if you consider the trope that superior fighting in males, in media/games, = extra masculine traits and fighting in females = extra feminine traits. Our females who are fighters tend to not show masculinity and appear sexy and lithe, except when done for the exception itself (like Zarya in Overwatch). Just playing the odds of gambling the descriptions that should befall someone that's kicked out and has to survive the wilds with little civilization, who is male, would be one that is at least moderately masculine.

    Add on top all the other things we know like Yoshi-P's feelings on male Viera being cute.. I'm guessing males are not "cute small things forced into exile".
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    Have to post to state that having only one gender for a race is 100% NOT a "Korean" thing. It's just a game thing that has recently become less common. Also I don't know how much we can read into the lore, considering everyone has used the lore to justify their viewpoints throughout this thread, so it sounds pretty open to interpretation lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
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    It doesn't have to be logical. They don't have to be masculine.
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    I feel like this entire debacle is a means to lure people into PvP because I don't think there will be any other settling this until the next FanFest lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyKaplan View Post
    I feel like this entire debacle is a means to lure people into PvP because I don't think there will be any other settling this until the next FanFest lmao
    Lol considering how few people I've seen in hidden gorge, I wouldn't be surprised.
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  9. #2039
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    It doesn't have to be logical. They don't have to be masculine.
    Of course, but if we're in the land of illogical then it's anything. Any illlogical statement having as much ground as another, like:

    It doesn't have to be logical. They don't have to be feminine.
    I hope at least I've been clear that I'm not saying what I think as if it is a fact, but as a likely outcome due to how I'm interpreting logic (with our limited, yet emphasized by the developer, lore).

    It's fine for people to want something, and SE to create a universe they feel is good, but I feel best to argue I think a smaller than female male bunny kicked out into the wild paints an unlikely story of "what's wrong you guys?". Like we need to go in and change the Viera culture cause they seem broken lol.

    Meanwhile if the males become hyper aggressive and perfect territorial guardians then it makes more sense they leave, and I feel less like "you guys are messed up".

    Alternatively if that's hard to picture instead picture that the males who are larger than the females of Hrothgar race kick the females out to defend the forest so the males can stay at home. . . . Nani?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    Have to post to state that having only one gender for a race is 100% NOT a "Korean" thing. It's just a game thing that has recently become less common. Also I don't know how much we can read into the lore, considering everyone has used the lore to justify their viewpoints throughout this thread, so it sounds pretty open to interpretation lol.
    This aspect of it certainly is, precisely because of how much it is silent on.
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    When the game's story becomes self-aware:


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