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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    I would argue that it takes some real special logic to say the presence of a gunblade tank in duty with us some eight months prior to a gunblade tank class's official unveiling wasn't a hint as to the class's existence.

    Interesting critique coming from a guy who bases half his entire argument against the inclusion of male Viera on interview made in the 2.0 era six years ago. After all, if you think that Yoshida can tease his long term plans for the Viera six years ago you should have no problem thinking he can also tease a class he wants to include for that long also.
    I said it was a stretch, not that it definitively wasn't the case. I'm of the opinion it was more likely coincidence instead of a deliberate attempt to tease a job, because as a job tease it's a pretty bad one considering he used moves and animations he and every other garlean who has a gunblade uses, so he showed us absolutelty nothing that we havent already seen before, unlike the other past job teases that have always showed something new. Of course, there also was no in game tease for Dark Knight or Machinist, nor technically Astrologian as the astrologians we had encountered weren't even the same thing we got. So they don't have the best track record for always teasing future jobs.

    But hey man, not my fault you don't like what Yoshida said even if it was long ago, he stuck true on how he would do blue mage for close to the same amount of time and that was also an unpopular decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    I said it was a stretch, not that it definitively wasn't the case. I'm of the opinion it was more likely coincidence instead of a deliberate attempt to tease a job
    So you really believe the developers deciding to include a gunblade tank in a solo-duty with us is while they are working on designing and coding a gunblade tank is merely coincidence? Or are you merely trying save face after having run your mouth saying a gunblade tank wasn't hinted at?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    But hey man, not my fault you don't like what Yoshida said even if it was long ago, he stuck true on how he would do blue mage for close to the same amount of time and that was also an unpopular decision.
    Oh please, your track record when it comes to predictions as to what developers will do is somewhat lack-luster. See when I was doing a search for your posts on the BLU class I stumbled onto a bunch of old posts by you concerning Samurai and how according to you it could be nothing but a tank. Many of them have not aged well at all. For example in response to this post

    Quote Originally Posted by ErikMynhier View Post
    STR - DRG, MNK, SAM
    VIT - PLD, WAR, DRK
    DEX - BRD, MCH, NIN
    INT - BLM, SMN, RDM
    MND - WHM, SCH, AST

    And so with 2 dps, balance is restored.
    You replied

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Balance in one category, but unbalancing in another.

    tanks, healers, and dps are close to their ideal ratio of 1:1:2, the same as light party compositions. 3 tanks, 3 healers, 7 dps. Adding 2 new dps jobs unbalances this ratio, making it a 1:1:3 ratio.

    Thus, adding 1 tank, 1 healer, and 1 dps actually makes it a true 1:1:2 ratio, thus balance is restored. See? I can do it too.
    Tell me something did you ever apologize to ErikMynhier for mocking him even though he was correct in his prediction as to what the devs were going for and you were completely wrong in your counter-arguments?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    So you really believe the developers deciding to include a gunblade tank in a solo-duty with us is while they are working on designing and coding a gunblade tank is merely coincidence? Or are you merely trying save face after having run your mouth saying a gunblade tank wasn't hinted at?
    You're really overstating that it was a tank, many NPC's that are jobs that aren't tanks do tanking in scripted encounters. Do you think White Mage, Arcanist, and Monk are tanks? Because those characters tank things in scenarios all the time.
    I think it's far more likely to be a coincidence, yes, because as a job tease it's a pretty weak one for all the reasons I described before. If Gaius was a job tease, then he's been a tease for it for over 5 years. With Regula, Nero, and Fordola also being teases for it.
    Still a stretch.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    Oh please, your track record when it comes to predictions as to what developers will do is somewhat lack-luster. See when I was doing a search for your posts on the BLU class I stumbled onto a bunch of old posts by you concerning Samurai and how according to you it could be nothing but a tank. Many of them have not aged well at all. For example in response to this post
    Putting aside the creepy stalker aspects, I was regretably wrong about Samurai, but that's not because my reasoning wasn't sound, but because Yoshida opted to go with his personal preferences over the way Samurai was represented in past Final Fantasy games. I trusted Yoshida to stick to honoring what past Final Fantasy games had done but instead he went with his own personal tastes as revealed here (bold emphasis mine):
    Yusuke Mogi (Lead Character Concept Artist): When I heard we were doing samurai, at first I pictured the armored warriors from FFV. But Yoshi-P preferred the simple, kimono-clad look, and so we ended up with a cultural and visual aesthetic that reflected this, with the majority of NPCs dressed in kimonos.

    Q:What were you going for in choosing kimono-clad samurai over armored ones?

    Yoshida: I wasn’t going for anything in particular—rather, that’s just how I’ve always pictured samurai. I enjoy the films of Akira Kurosawa,* and his samurai are always dressed that way. I think of armored warriors more as shogun or warlords, rather than what we would call “samurai.” For our international audience as well, I figured kimono-clad samurai would feel more natural to them. That might not be true for longtime FF fans, but I was also hoping to appeal to the masses and draw in large numbers of new players as well.
    So I'm actually glad you drudged that up, because see, I learned from my past mistake of believing Yoshida would follow something that made the most logical sense, but instead he opted to make a decision based on his personal preferences first and foremost. I didn't listen when Yoshida talked in interviews before about Samurai and how he always felt it was a DPS, and how his idea in his head about a Samurai was a robe wearing iaijutsu master. I rejected what he said he was likely going to do because it didn't make sense to do it because it wasn't how Samurai were depicted in the vast majority of Final fantasy games. But alas, he did it.

    So that's why, when I see Yoshida say things like he'd maybe do a male counterpart for a Viera, and that he finds male bunnies weird, and that they put in lore pointing out how male viera might as well not exist to the outside world, and then completely refuse to show or even acknowledge that male viera are coming, I tend to put more merit into his words.

    So it's ironic that you'd drudge that up as some kind of a "gotcha" moment, because it backfired on you pretty bad by revealing that you are the me from back then.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    Tell me something did you ever apologize to ErikMynhier for mocking him even though he was correct in his prediction as to what the devs were going for and you were completely wrong in your counter-arguments?
    Will you?
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    Last edited by Shippuu; 02-19-2019 at 03:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artyport View Post
    I noticed the viera has a new face tattoo so i'm thinking we are going to see some new expansion option in the CC.
    Those could also just be racial tattoos, so don't get your hopes too high just based on that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    Or how Alisaie showcased the Red Mage in her fight with the Warriors of Darkness in 3.4.
    I don't think she did, actually. I went through those quests recently and I only saw her using Gladiator stance.

    I think she showcases Red Mage early in Stormblood, but not before it.



    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    Astrologian Tower in Lower Coerthas = Astro teaser (they had a very large role in tracking dragon movements)
    I wouldn't count that as a teaser. It might be setting up for the story, but the whole point of the Astrologian quest is that we're trying to promote a different branch of astrology - spell-based "astromancy" rather than the purely scientific-observation variety practiced by the Ishgardians to predict the dragons' movements.

    The head astrologian at the Observatorium plays a part in the AST questline, but it's also used for story within ARR as well. It's just a setting, not necessarily a giant hint at an upcoming job.

    (Was it there in 1.0? I assume so. It doesn't seem like a new construction.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    You're really overstating that it was a tank, many NPC's that are jobs that aren't tanks do tanking in scripted encounters....Still a stretch.
    Still writing books without saying anything new I see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Putting aside the creepy stalker aspects,
    If me using this forum's search feature and stumbling on your prior false predictions in two minutes is stalker-like I would hate to think what hanging onto every word that Yoshida said in interviews years prior like you do implies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    So I'm actually glad you drudged that up, because see, I learned from my past mistake
    No you didn't, otherwise you would be exercising more caution and wouldn't be as arrogant in your posts here. You still act like you know it all. You still sarcastically put down everybody who voices a different opinion than you. You still dismiss any evidence or arguments that don't fit your narratives with with vague 'what-if' scenarios. Your underlying behavior and thought processes haven't changed in the slightest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Will you?
    That is side-stepping the question of whither you apologized to ErikMynhier for mocking him even though he was correct in his prediction as to what the devs were going for and you were completely wrong in your counter-arguments? It is a very simple question, yes or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
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    Guy, we get that you have this personal feud inside you with him. Going back and forth arguing with each other line for line is pretty childish. For both of you. I still agree with Shippuu that a lot of things have been held as surprises. (Gaius was NOT a hint at a gunblade "tank", again he's doing the exact same stuff he's done since Praetorium). Plus all of the heavensward examples of not providing hints of new jobs... overall the point that they don't have to preview every little thing before putting it in the game is obviously made. The only argument now is do they HAVE to preview the "new race" in game patches before an expansion, and I would say no. I think it's perfectly logical to keep something as a surprise for the final fan fest if they think it'll go over well. Even if some people in this thread REALLY WANT male Viera, that doesn't mean that everyone has the same line of thinking, and it's possible that the dev team think a substitute male would be a good choice.
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