Gender locked race?

[Karl0217]

Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.

Yes, I am speculating but unlike Shippuu I am not going around implying everybody else is delusional for advancing a theory different than mine. And if you want to talk about them purposefully avoiding mentioning the male Viera they have also purposely avoided mentioning the Hrothgar before, during and after the Fan Fest as well. So what does that say about them?

And I think there is just a little bit of a difference between heading into some ruins escorted by Fran, who says the Viera are watching you and would have attacked if not for her, and setting up shop in a Viera village that just got blown to hell like the trailers imply we will be doing, wouldn't you agree?

[Daralii]

Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.

We didn't see any other females either. Even then Matsuno's standin makes it sound like Rak'tika, which is supposed to be the home of the ShB Viera, is in the Skatay Range. It's so far away from Rabanastre that everything is still up in the air.

[Shippuu]

I got news for you, just because you include the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" in your claims doesn't magically make them not claims. Nor does it provide you with a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card about having to back them up. That is not how debates work.

You seriously still have an issue understanding the fundamental difference between you making a definitive statement that they did something (without evidence), and me saying they might have done something because of different reasons.

Then you should have no problem providing evidence to back up your assumption that the gender-locks didn't damage the 1.0 release or them removing the gender-locks for the 2.0 release had nothing to do with them knowing how poorly the gender locks were received.

As soon as you provide evidence that they did. Your assertion was made first, you provide evidence supporting your claim first. Y'know, because that's actually how debates work.

That was Hiromichi Tanaka's decision and when he tried to import the same model into XIV it crashed and burned. It was one of the reasons he was replaced with Naoki Yoshida who immediately undid the gender-locks in XIV. So you want to base your assumptions on what Yoshida's predecessor did as opposed to Yoshida's actions, i.e. removing the gender locks?

I'm full well aware Yoshida was not in charge of 2.0, yet you seem to continue to ignore the actual evidence that the very same Yoshida who undid the 1.0 genderlocks, stated directly that he may possibly do a future gender locked races with Viera specifically cited. So no, I'm not basing my assumptions off of what Tanaka did, I'm basing them off of what Yoshida himself as explicitly stated, backed up with circumstantial evidence of in game dialogue painting male viera as exceptionally unlikely to be seen, and the complete lack of announcing them when they announced Viera as a race.

Do you seriously think basing an assumption on what Person A will do by observing what person B did while ignoring what A did the minute they took over from B ain't just making an unfounded assumption?

It's a good thing that's not what I'm doing then? But what a surprise, you misattributed things for a third time. I'm basing it all what Person A straight up said he might do, and then substantiated by what he is currently doing.

I am not the one going around making claims and then saying because I included the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" I don't have to defend them or provide evidence to back them up while demanding everybody else provide evidence for their statements. That would be you.

No, you're just going around making concrete absolute statements, declarations of what people (including me) have or are doing which they are either not doing, or you have provided no evidence that they have done.

Nor am I the guy writing a book where three sentences would suffice in order obfuscate just how little meat there is to my statements. That would also be you.

Yawn. You're just as much repeating the same beats as I am, in the same lenghty format.

Are you seriously going to sit there and argue semantics after acknowledging that yes, they are still making coding changes accommodate the Viera gear wise?

It's not arguing semantics when you're literally saying they said something they didn't say in a hyperbolic attempt to bolster your argument. But of course you wouldn't consider it any kind of offense since that seems to be your most commonly used tactic, to state people said things they didn't say.
They are making accomodations on Viera gear at least in the helmet category. But it's a good thing race reveal videos don't have them wearing any helmets. The Viera one didn't have them, the Au Ra one didn't have them. Just because they have to work on helmets reasonably shouldn't have any major effect on having some kind of assets ready to be shown, or prevent them from even acknowledging that male Viera are coming but just needed more work.

And when asked about the male Viera he specifically said there was another Fan Fest in Tokyo, which is the kind of thing a developer would say if he had something to show but couldn't show it just yet because he didn't have a stable build of it.

Which can certainly apply to there being a different gender locked race instead. Especially since he can cushion such an announcemet with additional details and follow-up panels. Again, he's never had any issue telling us if something isn't ready to show yet. The fact he explicitly didn't do that this time is increasingly suspicious.

So pretty much your response to lore that looks like it setting up a possible hostile confrontation between us and the Viera is another "well maybe they all got lured away before we got there...."

If there's no playable male viera, there likely won't be male viera NPC's at all in the game unless they make a special unique character that we interact with.

[Karl0217]

You seriously still have an issue understanding the fundamental difference between you making a definitive statement that they did something (without evidence), and me saying they might have done something because of different reasons.

On the contrary, it is still making a claim as to why they did something and the fact you used an adjective like "probably" doesn't change that fact in the slightest.

As soon as you provide evidence that they did. Your assertion was made first, you provide evidence supporting your claim first. Y'know, because that's actually how debates work.

Oh I am so glad you said that considering how the first post in our little debate was this one by you:

People keep going on like only the JP/NA/EU player's desires/tastes count. They seem to be forgetting the large player bases in the Korean and Chinese markets. People often talk about how genderlocking is a staple of Korean MMO's, so new genderlocked races couldn't possibly be catering to that crowd? Especially when those are areas they would likely look to be increasing their playerbase even more as they may have reached a plateau in the NA/EU/JP regions.

which I replied to and kicked off this entire little discussion. You were the one that made the assertion that they could gender lock the races to increase the market shares in China/Korea first; it's the very first post in our little debate. So according to your standards you are obligated to provide hard evidence, preferably statistical data, supporting your claim that adding gender locked races will increase the player base in China/Korea first. More to the point you also said the player base in the west has plateaued despite the fact it is getting new datacenters in the NA and EU, which devs specifically said was to accommodate a growing population. Provide evidence that it has plateaued in the west.

I'm full well aware Yoshida was not in charge of 2.0, yet you seem to continue to ignore the actual evidence that the very same Yoshida who undid the 1.0 genderlocks...and the complete lack of announcing them when they announced Viera as a race.

He also made comments in those interviews about how he was against adding the Viera, male and female, entirely because he felt the were too close in theme to the Miqo'te. Yet they are being added and the Hrothgar are speculated to also be feline based so his actions after those interviews have already rendered half of what he said in them irrelevant. Why should the other half still hold any significance?

It's not arguing semantics when you're literally saying they said something they didn't say in a hyperbolic attempt to bolster your argument.

In other words, yes you are arguing semantics.

They are making accomodations on Viera gear at least in the helmet category. But it's a good thing race reveal videos don't have them wearing any helmets.

In case you have forgotten genius Fran had a helmet on:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20190108210445

Yet oddly none of the models in the trailer showed said helmet. Makes you wonder just how much trouble they are having modifying the helmets for the Viera character customization options and whither they have other issues adjusting the gear to the Viera skeleton rigging.

Which can certainly apply to there being a different gender locked race instead. Especially since he can cushion such an announcemet with additional details and follow-up panels. Again, he's never had any issue telling us if something isn't ready to show yet. The fact he explicitly didn't do that this time is increasingly suspicious.

All of which is predicated on your reading him saying wait until the Tokyo Fan Fest isn't him implicitly saying he isn't ready to show us just yet.

[Shippuu]

On the contrary, it is still making a claim as to why they did something and the fact you used an adjective like "probably" doesn't change that fact in the slightest.

So you're saying there's no difference between saying someone definitely did something, and saying someone probably did something?


I'm really starting to feel like delusional was the correct choice of words. I had typed more but I'm honestly done with this conversation, I've wasted enough time on it.

I will wait and see what happens in march, and I will probably have a good chuckle if male viera don't happen now.

[Lauront]

My position on it at this point is that I'd be fine with a gender-lock if they committed to later adding the opposite sex for each race.

[Gwenorai]

Aye, as long as they add them in - I'm fine. I've waited a long time for male Viera, I can wait a little longer. My only concern will be story, but as I stated before, if the story is subpar due to the exclusion, welp, a complaint is in order - if it's amazing, I won't complain about the story of course and instead praise it but still suggest the adding of the male viera and female buff khajiit.

[redcurrant18]

Aye, as long as they add them in - I'm fine. I've waited a long time for male Viera, I can wait a little longer. My only concern will be story, but as I stated before, if the story is subpar due to the exclusion, welp, a complaint is in order - if it's amazing, I won't complain about the story of course and instead praise it but still suggest the adding of the male viera and female buff khajiit.

Agreed. If they're at least stated as being on their way to being playable, I'd be fine with that news even though it isn't as ideal as releasing both genders at once. However, if they keep playing this ridiculous game of not being up front with what's coming in this expansion then I can't spend money on it without knowing that what I want is there, or at least on its way in subsequent patches.

[cicatriz313]

I hope for everyone's sake that it doesn't take them as long as it took them to implement bunny suits for men. I honestly think if male Viera is not coming Yoshi will give his reasoning at fanfest. Can sub or unsub then.

[Gwenorai]

Yeah, I was already suspicious of SE putting 'early preorder' content into the game. Can someone confirm if you use the early preorder code, that you can't actually cancel your preorder? I doubt this is part of the whole gender locked race thing, but it did have me cock a brow.