Gender locked race?

[Celef]

So why men only get the more bestial race females can be too just the same as men can be cute that is backassward thinking

Because japanese games, japanese player base, love of waifu. You're welcome.

[Gwenorai]

Oh yeah, that would be fine if they did something like that. Btw, that beastman's face is acceptable. Do you know what's kind of boring though and not imaginative? Going for a lion race when you already technically have a race that is lion-like.

We've seen so many humanoid type bosses in this game. And the one they decide to go for out of everything is a Lion? Are they going the Elderscrolls route now, in fact, no? Because Elderscrolls didn't even have another feline-like race before they implemented Khajiit.

[Shippuu]

Do you know what's kind of boring though and not imaginative? Going for a lion race when you already technically have a race that is lion-like.

As opposed to a race of human looking people with animal ears that live in a forest matriarchy? People go on about how similar viera lore is to miqote, and they physically look not much different than what we already have, but then say another cat themed race that could actually look drastically different is too similar?

I just don't get it. Sounds like double standards to me.

So why men only get the more bestial race females can be too just the same as men can be cute that is backassward thinking

Because historically female beast like characters are criminally underplayed in MMOs. We don't even have one in ffxiv but anyone can see the severe lack of female roegadyn and highlander characters.

[Gwenorai]

As opposed to a race of human looking people with animal ears that live in a forest matriarchy? People go on about how similar viera lore is to miqote, and they physically look not much different than what we already have, but then say another cat themed race that could actually look drastically different is too similar?

I just don't get it. Sounds like double standards to me.

Are you serious? Or just having a laugh? They look drastically different. As for lore - beyond the fact they are matriarchal and that the males have a lesser birthrate. That. Is. It. What other connections are they? In fact, if we're going into that argument then every single race is just an offshoot of Hyur. Makes sense doesn't it since in FF that's the whole plot that all of the 'Humanoids' beyond the beast tribes used to be one single race.

Yes, another cat race is idiotic when such a thing could be added into the CC in regards to manes and muscle/height slider. If there only difference is going to be they're going to have fur on their bodies and be 'buffer' then really, what's the point. When they could have added Lupin or another beast race?

What lore are they going to add which would have it where only the males will be seen and not the females?

[Shippuu]

Are you serious? Or just having a laugh? They look drastically different.

Lol if you say so. Still absolutely a double standard thay viera are different enough despite many visual similarities, but a vague concept with no visuals is immediately too similar because they might share a cat motif.

By that logic, all the races are too similar because they all share a base human motif (with lalafell being the most different).

Yes, another cat race is idiotic when such a thing could be added into the CC in regards to manes and muscle/height slider.

Again, all this applies to Viera as well, their bunny ears and faces could have been added to miqote, hyur, and elezen customization easily. You are absolutely applying a double standard here.

Muscle sliders have never added actual muscle mass in this game, so that would be an entirely new system they'd have to develop.

f there only difference is going to be they're going to have fur on their bodies and be 'buffer' then really, what's the point. When they could have added Lupin?

Because Lupin have a head and face anatomy that's entirely incompatible with the gear and cutscenes/emotes systems.

What lore are they going to add which would have it where only the males will be seen and not the females?

Oh I don't know, there's quite literally millions of examples. They could go the FFXI route and have the race reproduce via reincarnation. They could be artificial constructs brought to life through some old ritual. They could be a group of biologically engineered allagan chimera that have no gender and can't reproduce outside of allagan incubation chambers. They could be a race that has no biological females and need to either have children with other races or use some kind of magic to create offspring.

There are countless angles they could go.
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[redcurrant18]

Again, all this applies to Viera as well, their bunny ears and faces could have been added to miqote, hyur, and elezen customization easily. You are absolutely applying a double standard here.

Miquote are explicitly stated to be descended from Mithra in FFXIV. Bunny ears on them contradicts this lore. There's no need to merge them with Viera when they have such drastically different background stories surrounding them.

Because Lupin have a head and face anatomy that's entirely incompatible with the gear and cutscenes/emotes systems.

So would a bara cat race or Ronso.

[Shippuu]

Miquote are explicitly stated to be descended from Mithra in FFXIV. Bunny ears on them contradicts this lore. There's no need to merge them with Viera when they have such drastically different background stories surrounding them.

Flavor text on the Mithra minion saying it's a "supposed" ancestor of miqote is not a confirmation they actually are, especially with how many times the lore heads have stated that not all the information and lore you are given is accurate and that's intentional. Even then, there's no stopping new lore from being created such as "this group of miqote became in tuned with the woods, the hearing the green word over centuries has caused a magical change in them and altered their physical appearance."

New lore can always be created to hand wave away a ton of shit. It happens all the time.

So would a bara cat race or Ronso.

Factually untrue. Lupin have almost entirely canine faces, incapale of easily being emotive and expressive with the same system used for the other player races without a ton of new work. I've literally posted an example of a cat like race from another game that has a most human face that would absolutely be able to emote like the other player races. Even rhonso could as their faces are again, mostly human. They also have mostly human shaped heads, unlike Lupin.

[Shougun]

The bara cat was from the discord wasn't it? I feel that one might just be a lucky guess... or that they're really going to make Blue Mage an advanced job lol (??!). Just on the arguments going on right now though, imo, if they had something Ronso-like (say Ronso without the horn or something) I'd argue that's far more unique to the game in options than Viera.. /shrug (I'd personally love to take a 1:1 ronso port though ). Also admittedly even though I say that I have to believe Viera would/will be far more popular lol.

Not a huge fan of the argument about what's going to be most popular is what should be designed though, since I think having weird races (like WoW or GW2, etc, etc) adds a visual palate variety to the pretty and cute. Right now it's like Roe for the visual disruption but even the males can get pretty fabulous, imo SE is using too much of the same color if we talked about races as a painting. It's all saturated variations of cute, sexy, and masculine sexy (imo). So not a huge fan of "it wont be popular so it shouldn't be made (or should be)". Partly why when people asked for Viera I was like "please something weird first" because I am and was worried that SE is going to be done with races. Now that we're here though the best outcome would be, imo, either lion-like Viera males as an option (even if it's just one subrace), or two complete races where we get ronso-lion-like (not Rev lol) males and females too.

Also we have a cat in game called Baras btw, just wanted to show that:


Because we have a cat race is why I'm hoping it's more "ronso" than just hairy tall miqote lol. Although perhaps my imagination isn't playing out very well and it'll be awesome (or it's fake news hahaha and there is no lion-viera and no lion-race).

[redcurrant18]

Because historically female beast like characters are criminally underplayed in MMOs. We don't even have one in ffxiv but anyone can see the severe lack of female roegadyn and highlander characters.

Severe lack? I run into females of these races on a daily basis. We need to have this option open for people who want to go into it. In WoW half of the available races are beast-like, and people still play females because that's just what they're into.

[Lauront]

Because historically female beast like characters are criminally underplayed in MMOs. We don't even have one in ffxiv but anyone can see the severe lack of female roegadyn and highlander characters.

Underplayed from the developer's perspective, perhaps, but players aren't really obliged to like what they offer.

As for highlander females, I'd consider them to be athletic but still cutesy. Where they suffer, IMO, is their animations are not as smooth as some of the other races' females.

That still doesn't stop a large amount of gay bara enthusiasts from playing as roegadyn. Beauty and what makes people attractive varies from person to person, and from the looks of it roegadyn fulfill a lot of the criteria that group is looking for. There's lots of roegadyn fanart all over the internet, and their Hellsguard variant has an animal nose that when coupled with different ears can pretty much look like any animal. This group likely doesn't want to see more "twink" males, but bears/stocky guys tend to throw anyone who is smaller than them into that category, so there's no set limit for what makes a twink. Ideally we need a race with a medium/strong build that doesn't go into either extreme.

Yeah, I sometimes get surprised by what people choose to label a "twink".

Give them all to us:

*gallery of hot bunny men*

Yes, especially 1 and 4.

On the topic of muscle sliders adding mass, I'd kill for that, since I'd love to be able to add some bulk to my midlander toons, to better approximate the WoL in the cinematics/art, however it is a lot of work and probably won't happen until a graphics overhaul, and even then it may not happen.