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  1. #1791
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush View Post
    It doesn't change what you mean, but it dose change what you know. One implies you know for a fact that it damaged 1.0, the other implies you think it did, your meaning can and dose stay the same but that one change makes a massive difference.
    I think he killed a man, I know he killed a man, in both instances you think he killed him, but one of them 100% makes him the killer, the other dose not.
    Exactly, my meaning doesn't change in either statement. One just hedges bets against uncertainty. But I got another question, in which statement would I be required to provide evidence to back up my assertion? Is someone allowed to make the statement I think he killed a man without providing evidence and argumentation to support that assertion?
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  2. #1792
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaijinRhada View Post
    It's the internet, of course it's bound to come down to name-calling. I do agree that it only fans the flames instead of actually progressing rational and logical discussion, but hey, who needs that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Provocation isn't going to make things better.

    While viewpoints may differ and end on on different ends of the spectrum, people should remain calm and not jump the gun. This goes for both sides of the debate.
    Because it only ever happens on the internet...
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  3. #1793
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeno85 View Post
    I mean he hasn't done anything, I calls it as I sees it. Nor do I think it is particularly rude to refer to him with the personality traits he quite blatantly exudes.

    It's nice that you gave us [things]
    but we also want [things]
    Give us [things] or we tantrum

    Don't you see how ridiculous it is? If you can't I feel genuinely sorry for you.
    Do you not understand how buying games works? If I'm into X and have no interest in Y, and then for some reason there's a screwup and they give us Y instead of X, why would bother spending money on it? I'm selective with my time and resources and if I have to wait a while for them to get themselves together and add male Viera before I pay for FFXIV again, then that's just how it will be. There is a whole lot of competition in with the games coming out this year and although I love FFXIV, if they mess this up I have no other logical choice but to rescind my support.
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  4. #1794
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    Sure it happens in real life, but there's more restraint when there's obvious social cues and more apparent consequences. I don't have to agree with everyone that's here, but I should at least hold myself to a standard of conduct as an adult and give people the same courtesy that I would afford myself.
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    Last edited by KaijinRhada; 02-18-2019 at 12:15 PM.

  5. #1795
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    Exactly, my meaning doesn't change in either statement. One just hedges bets against uncertainty. But I got another question, in which statement would I be required to provide evidence to back up my assertion? Is someone allowed to make the statement I think he killed a man without providing evidence and argumentation to support that assertion?
    One can give any reasoning for a belief. For it to be truth one needs real evidence. Like one could say I think he killed a man, he has that look in his eye. But I know he killed a man would require hard evidence.
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  6. #1796
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaijinRhada View Post
    [...] a standard to conduct as an adult and give people the same courtesy that I would afford myself.
    That's compelling a way to live as well as harassment/discrimination for others' way of thinking.
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  7. #1797
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    Do you not understand how buying games works? If I'm into X and have no interest in Y, and then for some reason there's a screwup and they give us Y instead of X, why would bother spending money on it? I'm selective with my time and resources and if I have to wait a while for them to get themselves together and add male Viera before I pay for FFXIV again, then that's just how it will be. There is a whole lot of competition in with the games coming out this year and although I love FFXIV, if they mess this up I have no other logical choice but to rescind my support.
    We get it. You'll unsub if you don't get your way. Noted. Don't have to repeat it ten times lol. I 100% agree with your resolve and hope you follow through as that is the direct way to voice your opinions to a business.
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  8. #1798
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    Quote Originally Posted by cicatriz313 View Post
    One can give any reasoning for a belief. For it to be truth one needs real evidence. Like one could say I think he killed a man, he has that look in his eye. But I know he killed a man would require hard evidence.
    So in other words I can go back and add adjectives to my statements like "likely" and "probably" and it makes all of Shippuu's demands for evidence effectively moot even though what I am stating in the sentence doesn't actually change. Nor will I have to actually defend them giving all the arguments on this subject he gave. Correct?
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    Last edited by Karl0217; 02-18-2019 at 12:11 PM.

  9. #1799
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    Quote Originally Posted by redcurrant18 View Post
    Do you not understand how buying games works? If I'm into X and have no interest in Y, and then for some reason there's a screwup and they give us Y instead of X, why would bother spending money on it? I'm selective with my time and resources and if I have to wait a while for them to get themselves together and add male Viera before I pay for FFXIV again, then that's just how it will be. There is a whole lot of competition in with the games coming out this year and although I love FFXIV, if they mess this up I have no other logical choice but to rescind my support.
    You truly are the lord of revelations. You just made me realize that by this logic I have at least five assorted reasons to be angry at Squeenix and cry about quitting. Even though I likely have two dozen reasons to still enjoy the game. Look, dude, you do you--though your reasoning is childish, I won't fault you for it. I'll leave it at that.
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    At this point it's pretty much a case of playing the waiting game. There's five weeks to go until get any real confirmation after all.
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