Gender locked race?

[Karl0217]

You seriously still have an issue understanding the fundamental difference between you making a definitive statement that they did something (without evidence), and me saying they might have done something because of different reasons.

On the contrary, it is still making a claim as to why they did something and the fact you used an adjective like "probably" doesn't change that fact in the slightest.

As soon as you provide evidence that they did. Your assertion was made first, you provide evidence supporting your claim first. Y'know, because that's actually how debates work.

Oh I am so glad you said that considering how the first post in our little debate was this one by you:

People keep going on like only the JP/NA/EU player's desires/tastes count. They seem to be forgetting the large player bases in the Korean and Chinese markets. People often talk about how genderlocking is a staple of Korean MMO's, so new genderlocked races couldn't possibly be catering to that crowd? Especially when those are areas they would likely look to be increasing their playerbase even more as they may have reached a plateau in the NA/EU/JP regions.

which I replied to and kicked off this entire little discussion. You were the one that made the assertion that they could gender lock the races to increase the market shares in China/Korea first; it's the very first post in our little debate. So according to your standards you are obligated to provide hard evidence, preferably statistical data, supporting your claim that adding gender locked races will increase the player base in China/Korea first. More to the point you also said the player base in the west has plateaued despite the fact it is getting new datacenters in the NA and EU, which devs specifically said was to accommodate a growing population. Provide evidence that it has plateaued in the west.

I'm full well aware Yoshida was not in charge of 2.0, yet you seem to continue to ignore the actual evidence that the very same Yoshida who undid the 1.0 genderlocks...and the complete lack of announcing them when they announced Viera as a race.

He also made comments in those interviews about how he was against adding the Viera, male and female, entirely because he felt the were too close in theme to the Miqo'te. Yet they are being added and the Hrothgar are speculated to also be feline based so his actions after those interviews have already rendered half of what he said in them irrelevant. Why should the other half still hold any significance?

It's not arguing semantics when you're literally saying they said something they didn't say in a hyperbolic attempt to bolster your argument.

In other words, yes you are arguing semantics.

They are making accomodations on Viera gear at least in the helmet category. But it's a good thing race reveal videos don't have them wearing any helmets.

In case you have forgotten genius Fran had a helmet on:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20190108210445

Yet oddly none of the models in the trailer showed said helmet. Makes you wonder just how much trouble they are having modifying the helmets for the Viera character customization options and whither they have other issues adjusting the gear to the Viera skeleton rigging.

Which can certainly apply to there being a different gender locked race instead. Especially since he can cushion such an announcemet with additional details and follow-up panels. Again, he's never had any issue telling us if something isn't ready to show yet. The fact he explicitly didn't do that this time is increasingly suspicious.

All of which is predicated on your reading him saying wait until the Tokyo Fan Fest isn't him implicitly saying he isn't ready to show us just yet.

[Shippuu]

On the contrary, it is still making a claim as to why they did something and the fact you used an adjective like "probably" doesn't change that fact in the slightest.

So you're saying there's no difference between saying someone definitely did something, and saying someone probably did something?


I'm really starting to feel like delusional was the correct choice of words. I had typed more but I'm honestly done with this conversation, I've wasted enough time on it.

I will wait and see what happens in march, and I will probably have a good chuckle if male viera don't happen now.

[Karl0217]

So you're saying there's no difference between saying someone definitely did something, and saying someone probably did something?

I'm really starting to feel like delusional was the correct choice of words. I had typed more but I'm honestly done with this conversation, I've wasted enough time on it.

I will wait and see what happens in march, and I will probably have a good chuckle if male viera don't happen now.

Well, let's put your little standard to a test. If I go back and change the statement

Gender-locked races definitely damaged the 1.0 version of the game enough that one of the first things Yoshida did after taking over the project was remove them. Or have you forgotten that?

to

Gender-locked races probably damaged the 1.0 version of the game significantly. After all, that one of the first things Yoshida did after taking over the project was remove them. Or have you forgotten that?

Does the addition of the word probably change what I am saying, or what I am thinking, when I made that statement; yes or no?

[BlitzAceRush]

Well, let's put your little standard to a test. If I go back and change the statement

Gender-locked races definitely damaged the 1.0 version of the game enough that one of the first things Yoshida did after taking over the project was remove them. Or have you forgotten that?

to

Gender-locked races probably damaged the 1.0 version of the game significantly. After all, that one of the first things Yoshida did after taking over the project was remove them. Or have you forgotten that?

Does the addition of the word probably change what I am saying, or what I am thinking, when I made that statement; yes or no?

It doesn't change what you mean, but it dose change what you know. One implies you know for a fact that it damaged 1.0, the other implies you think it did, your meaning can and dose stay the same but that one change makes a massive difference.
I think he killed a man, I know he killed a man, in both instances you think he killed him, but one of them 100% makes him the killer, the other dose not.

[redcurrant18]

It doesn't change what you mean, but it dose change what you know. One implies you know for a fact that it damaged 1.0, the other implies you think it did, your meaning can and dose stay the same but that one change makes a massive difference.
I think he killed a man, I know he killed a man, in both instances you think he killed him, but one of them 100% makes him the killer, the other dose not.

I would not have played version 1.0 with its gender locked races. My brief time in FFXI also kinda sucked because I wanted to play a male mithra there too, but was stuck playing as a boring Hume.

[Karl0217]

It doesn't change what you mean, but it dose change what you know. One implies you know for a fact that it damaged 1.0, the other implies you think it did, your meaning can and dose stay the same but that one change makes a massive difference.
I think he killed a man, I know he killed a man, in both instances you think he killed him, but one of them 100% makes him the killer, the other dose not.

Exactly, my meaning doesn't change in either statement. One just hedges bets against uncertainty. But I got another question, in which statement would I be required to provide evidence to back up my assertion? Is someone allowed to make the statement I think he killed a man without providing evidence and argumentation to support that assertion?

[Shippuu]

Well, let's put your little standard to a test. If I go back and change the statement

Gender-locked races definitely damaged the 1.0 version of the game enough that one of the first things Yoshida did after taking over the project was remove them. Or have you forgotten that?

to

Gender-locked races probably damaged the 1.0 version of the game significantly. After all, that one of the first things Yoshida did after taking over the project was remove them. Or have you forgotten that?

Does the addition of the word probably change what I am saying, or what I am thinking, when I made that statement; yes or no?

Yes, it does change what you are saying, because those words have different meanings. That's why we have different words for different things. That's what adverbs are for, they modify.

The addition of the word would have absolutely not resulted in me asking you to back up that claim with evidence. Because it wouldn't have been you definitively saying something without proof, but stating it as a possibility which is far more reasonable. So yes, it absolutely does change what you're saying. It went from a "This thing absolutely happened" to "This thing possibly happened."