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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    You seriously still have an issue understanding the fundamental difference between you making a definitive statement that they did something (without evidence), and me saying they might have done something because of different reasons.
    On the contrary, it is still making a claim as to why they did something and the fact you used an adjective like "probably" doesn't change that fact in the slightest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    As soon as you provide evidence that they did. Your assertion was made first, you provide evidence supporting your claim first. Y'know, because that's actually how debates work.
    Oh I am so glad you said that considering how the first post in our little debate was this one by you:

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    People keep going on like only the JP/NA/EU player's desires/tastes count. They seem to be forgetting the large player bases in the Korean and Chinese markets. People often talk about how genderlocking is a staple of Korean MMO's, so new genderlocked races couldn't possibly be catering to that crowd? Especially when those are areas they would likely look to be increasing their playerbase even more as they may have reached a plateau in the NA/EU/JP regions.
    which I replied to and kicked off this entire little discussion. You were the one that made the assertion that they could gender lock the races to increase the market shares in China/Korea first; it's the very first post in our little debate. So according to your standards you are obligated to provide hard evidence, preferably statistical data, supporting your claim that adding gender locked races will increase the player base in China/Korea first. More to the point you also said the player base in the west has plateaued despite the fact it is getting new datacenters in the NA and EU, which devs specifically said was to accommodate a growing population. Provide evidence that it has plateaued in the west.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    I'm full well aware Yoshida was not in charge of 2.0, yet you seem to continue to ignore the actual evidence that the very same Yoshida who undid the 1.0 genderlocks...and the complete lack of announcing them when they announced Viera as a race.
    He also made comments in those interviews about how he was against adding the Viera, male and female, entirely because he felt the were too close in theme to the Miqo'te. Yet they are being added and the Hrothgar are speculated to also be feline based so his actions after those interviews have already rendered half of what he said in them irrelevant. Why should the other half still hold any significance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    It's not arguing semantics when you're literally saying they said something they didn't say in a hyperbolic attempt to bolster your argument.
    In other words, yes you are arguing semantics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    They are making accomodations on Viera gear at least in the helmet category. But it's a good thing race reveal videos don't have them wearing any helmets.
    In case you have forgotten genius Fran had a helmet on:

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20190108210445

    Yet oddly none of the models in the trailer showed said helmet. Makes you wonder just how much trouble they are having modifying the helmets for the Viera character customization options and whither they have other issues adjusting the gear to the Viera skeleton rigging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    Which can certainly apply to there being a different gender locked race instead. Especially since he can cushion such an announcemet with additional details and follow-up panels. Again, he's never had any issue telling us if something isn't ready to show yet. The fact he explicitly didn't do that this time is increasingly suspicious.
    All of which is predicated on your reading him saying wait until the Tokyo Fan Fest isn't him implicitly saying he isn't ready to show us just yet.
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    Last edited by Karl0217; 02-18-2019 at 10:39 AM.