Gender locked race?

[Lacan]

My other thought is that this whole thing seems like a real double edged sword for SE. If they announce Hrothgar as a male only race to complement Viera, not only are they going to have backlash from people like me who want male viera, they're going to have people who feel slighted for not having a female hrothgar option either. Since they're basically being given another typically beautiful, slender female race with Viera and the first beastial looking race is going to be for males only.

I just don't get it. Why would they risk souring the expectations of a good part of the playerbase just before the new expansion? Makes me think there is a bigger picture here we aren't seeing.

[cicatriz313]

We will find out in March what they do/why they did it.

Also, where is this displacement thing coming from? Wandering Dramaturge says they currently live in two areas. Nothing about them having to move or anything. I imagine the jungle that isn't Golmore is just Rak'tika.

[Gwenorai]

I think the big thing here is that everyone is expecting some form of gender lock because we don't expect SE to give more than that. I'm hoping they're going to go all out and shock us with this expansion. It's wishful thinking; but imagine coming out with two new classes, the new zones and all that jazz - and then, when everyone was expecting Viera to be gender locked; wham - here's the male! Everyone gets hyped, except for those who don't like what they see. Ah, but that's not all they have. Wham. Another race. One that we were all pretty much in the dark about until the leaks and glitch took place. This is certainly wishful thinking, but damn, fanfest would be one heck of an emotional roller coaster.

Heh, just realised they're competing with ESO for this release as well. ESO's next expansion which is in Elsweyr - funny that they're going to cat land, and we're getting a big cat for a next race.

[Lauront]

I'm just thinking, do we even know where the Rak'tika Greatwood is yet, or whether it's part of Golmore?

I think the big thing here is that everyone is expecting some form of gender lock because we don't expect SE to give more than that. I'm hoping they're going to go all out and shock us with this expansion. It's wishful thinking; but imagine coming out with two new classes, the new zones and all that jazz - and then, when everyone was expecting Viera to be gender locked; wham - here's the male! Everyone gets hyped, except for those who don't like what they see. Ah, but that's not all they have. Wham. Another race. One that we were all pretty much in the dark about until the leaks and glitch took place. This is certainly wishful thinking, but damn, fanfest would be one heck of an emotional roller coaster.

5 weeks is too long!

[Daralii]

I'm just thinking, do we even know where the Rak'tika Greatwood is yet, or whether it's part of Golmore?

We don't know where or when any of the new zones are. Almost everything about Shadowbringers' story and setting is being kept a complete mystery. It's probably safe to assume that it's the Veena homeland in the Skatay foothills based on what the Dramaturge and devs have told us, but that's the best we have.

[CoolDad]

I feel currently like we will get a female viera and lion men genderlocked. I also feel like I really, really would like neither of those to be genderlocked! I almost exclusively play pretty boys and beast women in games (if I have either of those choices) so I tend to draw the short stick a lot. But I will definitely wait until fanfest, even if my expectations are kinda low, since nothing can be said definitively until then.

Regardless I love checking this thread every so often and seeing the discussion. I've learned a lot of things I didn't know about this game and other games in the franchise here. Keep it up guys!

[Serenno]

I'm just thinking, do we even know where the Rak'tika Greatwood is yet, or whether it's part of Golmore?

Based off of what they've given us, I'm thinking it's located somewhere around here:

[Gwenorai]

-steals Serenno's map-




So, if the Viera are retreating to the Rat'tika great wood, they either have to go through the sands and into a warzone. Or through the mountain ranges. Or the sea, you know... I don't think they have access to airships. And of course, the World Eater Alduin is in the top right somewhere. And I think that city at the bottom? Is the inferior city? So, all of the Viera there are seen as Inferior and second class? Well, more so than before? Actually no... can't remember what that city is at all; it's either Valnain or Lea Monde? Though, if that's not Lea Monde, then what happened to it? Think that can be linked into some lore as well. I also remember that one of the dancers stated that they sent a few legions into their woods, and ended up with only a handful returning back alive, and the Viera who returned with them came at their own free will. Doesn't say which wood though, seeing as they said wood I think it must have been Rat'tika since golmore is a jungle?

And if it wasn't obvious the elder scrolls/fallout references were a joke xD

[Shippuu]

I got news for you, just because you include the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" in your claims doesn't magically make them not claims. Nor does it provide you with a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card about having to back them up. That is not how debates work.

You seriously still have an issue understanding the fundamental difference between you making a definitive statement that they did something (without evidence), and me saying they might have done something because of different reasons.

Then you should have no problem providing evidence to back up your assumption that the gender-locks didn't damage the 1.0 release or them removing the gender-locks for the 2.0 release had nothing to do with them knowing how poorly the gender locks were received.

As soon as you provide evidence that they did. Your assertion was made first, you provide evidence supporting your claim first. Y'know, because that's actually how debates work.

That was Hiromichi Tanaka's decision and when he tried to import the same model into XIV it crashed and burned. It was one of the reasons he was replaced with Naoki Yoshida who immediately undid the gender-locks in XIV. So you want to base your assumptions on what Yoshida's predecessor did as opposed to Yoshida's actions, i.e. removing the gender locks?

I'm full well aware Yoshida was not in charge of 2.0, yet you seem to continue to ignore the actual evidence that the very same Yoshida who undid the 1.0 genderlocks, stated directly that he may possibly do a future gender locked races with Viera specifically cited. So no, I'm not basing my assumptions off of what Tanaka did, I'm basing them off of what Yoshida himself as explicitly stated, backed up with circumstantial evidence of in game dialogue painting male viera as exceptionally unlikely to be seen, and the complete lack of announcing them when they announced Viera as a race.

Do you seriously think basing an assumption on what Person A will do by observing what person B did while ignoring what A did the minute they took over from B ain't just making an unfounded assumption?

It's a good thing that's not what I'm doing then? But what a surprise, you misattributed things for a third time. I'm basing it all what Person A straight up said he might do, and then substantiated by what he is currently doing.

I am not the one going around making claims and then saying because I included the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" I don't have to defend them or provide evidence to back them up while demanding everybody else provide evidence for their statements. That would be you.

No, you're just going around making concrete absolute statements, declarations of what people (including me) have or are doing which they are either not doing, or you have provided no evidence that they have done.

Nor am I the guy writing a book where three sentences would suffice in order obfuscate just how little meat there is to my statements. That would also be you.

Yawn. You're just as much repeating the same beats as I am, in the same lenghty format.

Are you seriously going to sit there and argue semantics after acknowledging that yes, they are still making coding changes accommodate the Viera gear wise?

It's not arguing semantics when you're literally saying they said something they didn't say in a hyperbolic attempt to bolster your argument. But of course you wouldn't consider it any kind of offense since that seems to be your most commonly used tactic, to state people said things they didn't say.
They are making accomodations on Viera gear at least in the helmet category. But it's a good thing race reveal videos don't have them wearing any helmets. The Viera one didn't have them, the Au Ra one didn't have them. Just because they have to work on helmets reasonably shouldn't have any major effect on having some kind of assets ready to be shown, or prevent them from even acknowledging that male Viera are coming but just needed more work.

And when asked about the male Viera he specifically said there was another Fan Fest in Tokyo, which is the kind of thing a developer would say if he had something to show but couldn't show it just yet because he didn't have a stable build of it.

Which can certainly apply to there being a different gender locked race instead. Especially since he can cushion such an announcemet with additional details and follow-up panels. Again, he's never had any issue telling us if something isn't ready to show yet. The fact he explicitly didn't do that this time is increasingly suspicious.

So pretty much your response to lore that looks like it setting up a possible hostile confrontation between us and the Viera is another "well maybe they all got lured away before we got there...."

If there's no playable male viera, there likely won't be male viera NPC's at all in the game unless they make a special unique character that we interact with.

[Iscah]

I think people are reading too much into the "forest fire" at this point. We saw one small part of the forest on fire, but we don't know the scope of it.