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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl0217 View Post
    I got news for you, just because you include the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" in your claims doesn't magically make them not claims. Nor does it provide you with a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card about having to back them up. That is not how debates work.
    You seriously still have an issue understanding the fundamental difference between you making a definitive statement that they did something (without evidence), and me saying they might have done something because of different reasons.
    Then you should have no problem providing evidence to back up your assumption that the gender-locks didn't damage the 1.0 release or them removing the gender-locks for the 2.0 release had nothing to do with them knowing how poorly the gender locks were received.
    As soon as you provide evidence that they did. Your assertion was made first, you provide evidence supporting your claim first. Y'know, because that's actually how debates work.
    That was Hiromichi Tanaka's decision and when he tried to import the same model into XIV it crashed and burned. It was one of the reasons he was replaced with Naoki Yoshida who immediately undid the gender-locks in XIV. So you want to base your assumptions on what Yoshida's predecessor did as opposed to Yoshida's actions, i.e. removing the gender locks?
    I'm full well aware Yoshida was not in charge of 2.0, yet you seem to continue to ignore the actual evidence that the very same Yoshida who undid the 1.0 genderlocks, stated directly that he may possibly do a future gender locked races with Viera specifically cited. So no, I'm not basing my assumptions off of what Tanaka did, I'm basing them off of what Yoshida himself as explicitly stated, backed up with circumstantial evidence of in game dialogue painting male viera as exceptionally unlikely to be seen, and the complete lack of announcing them when they announced Viera as a race.
    Do you seriously think basing an assumption on what Person A will do by observing what person B did while ignoring what A did the minute they took over from B ain't just making an unfounded assumption?
    It's a good thing that's not what I'm doing then? But what a surprise, you misattributed things for a third time. I'm basing it all what Person A straight up said he might do, and then substantiated by what he is currently doing.

    I am not the one going around making claims and then saying because I included the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" I don't have to defend them or provide evidence to back them up while demanding everybody else provide evidence for their statements. That would be you.
    No, you're just going around making concrete absolute statements, declarations of what people (including me) have or are doing which they are either not doing, or you have provided no evidence that they have done.
    Nor am I the guy writing a book where three sentences would suffice in order obfuscate just how little meat there is to my statements. That would also be you.
    Yawn. You're just as much repeating the same beats as I am, in the same lenghty format.
    Are you seriously going to sit there and argue semantics after acknowledging that yes, they are still making coding changes accommodate the Viera gear wise?
    It's not arguing semantics when you're literally saying they said something they didn't say in a hyperbolic attempt to bolster your argument. But of course you wouldn't consider it any kind of offense since that seems to be your most commonly used tactic, to state people said things they didn't say.
    They are making accomodations on Viera gear at least in the helmet category. But it's a good thing race reveal videos don't have them wearing any helmets. The Viera one didn't have them, the Au Ra one didn't have them. Just because they have to work on helmets reasonably shouldn't have any major effect on having some kind of assets ready to be shown, or prevent them from even acknowledging that male Viera are coming but just needed more work.
    And when asked about the male Viera he specifically said there was another Fan Fest in Tokyo, which is the kind of thing a developer would say if he had something to show but couldn't show it just yet because he didn't have a stable build of it.
    Which can certainly apply to there being a different gender locked race instead. Especially since he can cushion such an announcemet with additional details and follow-up panels. Again, he's never had any issue telling us if something isn't ready to show yet. The fact he explicitly didn't do that this time is increasingly suspicious.
    So pretty much your response to lore that looks like it setting up a possible hostile confrontation between us and the Viera is another "well maybe they all got lured away before we got there...."
    If there's no playable male viera, there likely won't be male viera NPC's at all in the game unless they make a special unique character that we interact with.
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    Last edited by Shippuu; 02-18-2019 at 09:25 AM.