Gender locked race?

[Hunky]

He's also meant (imo) to be a "sub in" for Matsuno and the phrase "They simply do not exist to us." could imply that they do not exist for the dev team by going a little meta in the game, i.e. : We won't make them playable or not even make a model for them.
There are a lot of hints inside his monologue that points towards : You will never see them even if they exist.

I'm just saying, Yoshida said that they gave hints there about the state of Male Viera, I just don't want people to end up with a Pikachu meme face if they say that you won't be able to make Male Viera. From what we have, I expect to not get them and will be happy if we do.

Exactly this! Even though male Miqo'te are technically rarer than male Viera (1 out of 100 v.s. 1 out of 5), male Viera lore was framed in much harsher language. Plus, it was stated by the character that's supposed to be a stand-in for Matsuno, the creator of Viera.




Combine this with the fact that the blue leaker, who has been extremely accurate, stated there will be two new races, with one being the Viera and the other being a lion-like race, makes it seem more likely that we will get genderlocked races.

And there's more evidence too, such as Yoshida saying that he might create a separate race as a counterpart to female Viera. And he said this after unlocking female Roegadyn, male Miqo'te, and female Highlander.

And like others have mentioned, genderlocking and extreme dimorphism comes from the idea that females are supposed to be cute and sexy while males are supposed to be rough and gritty. Perhaps that's why the male developers felt uncomfortable unlocking bunny suits for male characters. Maybe that's why the idea of a male rabbit seems "kinda weird" to them.

Even though I would love male Viera, especially like the ones below, I'm afraid we're not going to get them.

[Hunky]

Additionally:

Do you guys remember the vote for the new race in HW?

This were the results and I am also confident when people voted for Mammalian demi-beastmen, they definetly did not think of genderlocked female Races.



http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post711060

My initial prediction was that Hrothgar was going to be a bestial race.

But after looking at this information, I'm thinking Hrothgar will be a demi-beastman race.

So instead of getting something like this

we're going to instead get something like this.

Hrothgar will probably be Highlander-like men with lion ears and tails. They'll be taller and beefier than male Miqo'te, and they'll likely have way more facial hair options so that when coupled with a long hairstyle, it gives the impression of a mane. Additionally, they'll probably have facial markings to give the illusion of bestial facial features.

The more I think about it and consider all the evidence, the more I believe we won't get male Viera. At this point, I'm pretty sure we're getting female-only Viera and male-only Hrothgar. I hope I'm wrong.

[cicatriz313]

Man, if Hrothgar look like the thundercats, no thank you lol.

[Karl0217]

You're this close to getting it....This is why I often use words such as likely, possibly, potentially, maybe. etc. etc. Instead of hard language that confirms this or that, I don't say the devs will do X because of Y, only that they may do X because of Y.

I got news for you, just because you include the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" in your claims doesn't magically make them not claims. Nor does it provide you with a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card about having to back them up. That is not how debates work.

I've also directed to plenty of evidence that supports my assumptions as well.

Then you should have no problem providing evidence to back up your assumption that the gender-locks didn't damage the 1.0 release or them removing the gender-locks for the 2.0 release had nothing to do with them knowing how poorly the gender locks were received.

Bringing up that FFXIV exists in the Chinese and Korean market...might not appeal to western ones? Yes. So in what way is that assumption unfounded?

You are deflecting the issue here. You made a specific claim that you think gender-locked content would expand the market shares in China/Korea and when pressed as to why you think this is you respond with an incredibly general and vague statement about the Chinese/Korean market being different. Why am I not surprised? And why do you feel the need to write a novel without actually saying anything new?

An assumption based on the fact that they didn't rectify the genderlocks in their prior MMO, FFXI.

That was Hiromichi Tanaka's decision and when he tried to import the same model into XIV it crashed and burned. It was one of the reasons he was replaced with Naoki Yoshida who immediately undid the gender-locks in XIV. So you want to base your assumptions on what Yoshida's predecessor did as opposed to Yoshida's actions, i.e. removing the gender locks?

Do you seriously think basing an assumption on what Person A will do by observing what person B did while ignoring what A did the minute they took over from B ain't just making an unfounded assumption?

You don't get to make an assertion and then try to get around having to back it up when called for proof and try to goad me into providing proof of a counter-claim. Who's the one being weasely now?

I am not the one going around making claims and then saying because I included the adjectives "likely, possibly, potentially, maybe" I don't have to defend them or provide evidence to back them up while demanding everybody else provide evidence for their statements. That would be you.

Nor am I the guy writing a book where three sentences would suffice in order obfuscate just how little meat there is to my statements. That would also be you.

There would certainly be a backlash for this decision, but I'd be hard pressed to ever consider it major, or even damaging to the game.

That is nothing more than your personal subjective opinion and considering you think basing your assumptions on what Naoki Yoshida will do on what Hiromichi Tanaka did is valid reasoning I doubt you are anywhere in ballpark when it comes to accuracy.

Oh good, it's not just me who has words put into their mouth by you. They never said they significantly reworked coding for helmets and footgear, in fact their exact statement was: "We're having to make some changes to systems, such as how helmets work."
Given we don't know the full extent of what changes these are, we cannot say if they're significantly changed or not.

Are you seriously going to sit there and argue semantics after acknowledging that yes, they are still making coding changes accommodate the Viera gear wise? Any coding change to a system that impacts every player characters gear and the gear of every NPC in the game is by its very nature significant. It is telling that all the models they showcased wore Fran's outfit and no other outfit, which heavily implies the changes to the other gear's coding isn't finished yet.

However Yoshida has had no problem in the past telling his audience that he cannot show something because it is not ready. He even did exactly that just prior to the Viera announcement about the 8-man raid.

And when asked about the male Viera he specifically said there was another Fan Fest in Tokyo, which is the kind of thing a developer would say if he had something to show but couldn't show it just yet because he didn't have a stable build of it.

And we know absolutely nothing about why we are heading into the Greatwood. So all of it assumptions....If we're only involved in one part of the woods, they could easily write in something happening that draws the male viera to a different part we will never go to.

So pretty much your response to lore that looks like it setting up a possible hostile confrontation between us and the Viera is another "well maybe they all got lured away before we got there...."

[cicatriz313]

And when asked about the male Viera he specifically said there was another Fan Fest in Tokyo, which is the kind of thing a developer would say if he had something to show but couldn't show it just yet because he didn't have a stable build of it.

So pretty much your response to lore that looks like it setting up a possible hostile confrontation between us and the Viera is another "well maybe they all got lured away before we got there...."

Lol all you do is speculate too, dude. What makes the fact that he said wait for Tokyo mean that he's saying male Viera aren't done yet? Literally nothing. In fact, the question he was answering specifically asked if we should wait for Tokyo and he just was coy and said oh yeah there is a fan fest in Tokyo huh? Like they purposefully avoided mentioning male Viera PERIOD in the fan fest, and have done so since.

Also just because you read something into the lore that's on the page doesn't make it true. What in the lore specifically states that we will get into a conflict with the Viera? It states they are isolationist by nature but times are changing, that's about it. Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.

[redcurrant18]

Like Fran already came to us and helped us get into the Golmore Jungle... didn't see any male Viera there.

Fran was the only Viera in the jungle. It is misleading to compare how they handled that small section of the jungle to what will eventually come in Shadowbringers.

[Lubu_Mykono]

Leak said Ronso I don't think Male Viera are coming XD

[cicatriz313]

Fran was the only Viera in the jungle. It is misleading to compare how they handled that small section of the jungle to what will eventually come in Shadowbringers.

I mean, why would she have been the only Viera in that jungle? Don't Viera live in the Golmore Jungle? How do you know she was the only Viera in that jungle? My point is that just because we are going into a jungle doesn't mean we are 100% getting into conflict.

[redcurrant18]

My point is that just because we are going into a jungle doesn't mean we are 100% getting into conflict.

Did you miss the part where it was literally on fire in the trailer or

[cicatriz313]

Did you miss the part where it was literally on fire in the trailer or

Are you saying we are setting fire to their home? That we are helping them defend their home? Do you have absolutely no idea because no one does? Yeah, not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe just go back to posting pictures of hot bunny boys.

Edit post limit: Anyone know how many posts you get on here? Hard to respond when you get blocked all the time...
The trailer shows Ysh' standing there while their home is burning and then we are running around the zone after the fact. We are in their home, apparently? And apparently male Vieras don't stay in the village, so the males could probably stay trigger happy where they are and leave the village to be defended by the equally fierce females. I honestly still don't see the leap between their village is on fire and there being a conflict between bunny boys and the WoL.