Gender locked race?

[Shougun]

Hmmmm.... If someone hands in their card.. can I use it?
<Group using group status against me>
Me: *Pulls out Seraphor's card, wins by default*

:3

~Anyways I have a question, is it allowed for people to share pictures of how some players have modded their characters to look like male Viera? I saw some on tumblr that looked amazing but I don't know if that is ok to share them on these forums.

If it's modded game files, don't do it - at least if you knew it was modification of the game. If it's photoshop (and not content that might be age questionable) then yeah it's fine. Although you might get in trouble if you just start image dumping and not talking lol. Also consider if people's names show up if it's in game (name tags), depending on circumstance people might claim you were calling them out.. So maybe blur our character names unless it's abundantly clear it's not a call out. Artist's signatures don't count, I just mean don't be like "this Viera is awful" and there is some person's name above it from the in game screen grab lol.

The above is probably overly sensitive but safe is good .

Howd they know it wasnt in there before?

Comparing two archives, also some people would probably make change logs to search through later (big lists of things that were touched, very big lists).

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.

I've been wondering if they're going to revisit some 1.0/2.0 areas. There is more of Coerthas.. And the restoration of Ishgard is something that is considered to be happening through 5.0. Then it would not be so weird to have dialog fixed up for a race to be in those areas.

[Shippuu]

YoshiP Im pretty sure has stated hes not a fan of gender locked races himself

Demonstrably false. I really wish this lie would stop being repeated so much.

Also now that I think about hrothgar, they might be a dead race. That is, this was somethign they were planning on implementing and possibly canceled on relatively recently due to other limitations or time. We may not get a race beyond Viera, but old code was put into place regarding it.

Typically things don't make it to the localization phase just to be cut. Especially something like a player race which needs a ton of work on the art and animations asset side. You wouldn't get to the stage where the localization team needs to start putting not just the race's name but also descriptors such as noticeable features.

[Melichoir]

I've been wondering if they're going to revisit some 1.0/2.0 areas. There is more of Coerthas.. And the restoration of Ishgard is something that is considered to be happening through 5.0. Then it would not be so weird to have dialog fixed up for a race to be in those areas.

I considered thta there might be something that brings us back into the local areas, but again, this doesnt make sense from what Im reading here. This mention is within a class quest, not a region thing. Most of the player base will probably have seen this quest if theyve gotten PLD so they would never encounter this dialogue. So why would they insert it in here. Its a strange design choice which raises more questions about this. Also, adding it in in December also makes little sense broadly. A one off lore bit to something that has 0 reference in any other part of the game, not mentioned in any dev commentary, and were only paying attention to this because of a recent leak: Its all very unusual and something isnt adding up in that respects.

[Shougun]

I considered thta there might be something that brings us back into the local areas, but again, this doesnt make sense from what Im reading here. This mention is within a class quest, not a region thing. Most of the player base will probably have seen this quest if theyve gotten PLD so they would never encounter this dialogue. So why would they insert it in here. Its a strange design choice which raises more questions about this. Also, adding it in in December also makes little sense broadly. A one off lore bit to something that has 0 reference in any other part of the game, not mentioned in any dev commentary, and were only paying attention to this because of a recent leak: Its all very unusual and something isnt adding up in that respects.

Eh~ I mean most of us are done with those quests but I'm sure the team is hoping that we're not the only players they'll ever have .

As for such an obscure thing could be in.. It could simply be they had a bunch of files and things they were working on and simply merged a few wrong things together. One day they were working on 5.0 stuff and the next someone was like "fix this, add that now" and they worked on the wrong set of files and put them into the game. Sometimes its just on purpose too, WoW did it a lot and FFXIV itself has done it with RDM and SAM.

So I think, going back makes sense because of new players and why it's such a weird location would be because there are not many places in the game that describe your looks (iirc) and we're not having the whole chunk of work added yet.

[redcurrant18]

If it's modded game files, don't do it - at least if you knew it was modification of the game. If it's photoshop (and not content that might be age questionable) then yeah it's fine. Although you might get in trouble if you just start image dumping and not talking lol. Also consider if people's names show up if it's in game (name tags), depending on circumstance people might claim you were calling them out.. So maybe blur our character names unless it's abundantly clear it's not a call out. Artist's signatures don't count, I just mean don't be like "this Viera is awful" and there is some person's name above it from the in game screen grab lol.

Hmm might not post them then. It sucks cause they're actually really good edits/photoshops/mods/whatever it is they are. They're kind of like artsy screenshots taken in gpose, so the image itself doesn't show any names but I think I'll steer clear of them. Hopefully when they add male Viera people won't have to resort to breaking the game rules to get to play as them, cause mods in a single player game is one thing but in an mmorpg that's another story.

This is someone's drawing that I thought looked really cool, especially if we get something like this hairstyle when they're added:

[Rokke]

And I wonder how he feels about that particular decision and development time spent. He might take caution in the future and perhaps not listen to people who may seem vocal about something, only to ultimately not actually play it/consume it. Similarly, people complained (and still do, in this thread even) about the dimorphic nature of Au Ra. He could easily take that pushback and apply it to help himself justify not doing male Viera. If he wanted to make them dimorphic (again because he's not keen on male bunnies), but then he'd catch flak again for doing it, it might encourage him to just not do that and instead we are presented with a possible male only separate race.

Using femra's popularity against them in the context of adding new races is somewhat unfair, both to them and to the new race. As I said earlier in the thread, muscular male races are significantly less popular than less muscular male races. If this new race is influenced by existing race trends, it’ll look like a human with 80’s hair and cat tail.

Au Ra’s extreme dimorphism was an…interesting decision. Noticeable dimorphism isn’t inherently awful imo, but when with both cranked up to 11 in opposite directions...its something lol. imo if you look at their concept art you can see where they started to try to sell a single race to two vast different demographics: those who buy into teeny tiny anime waifus, and those who wanted something borderline beastly, racial cohesion be damned. Were the males a tad smaller or the females a tad more beastly it wouldn’t have been so odd.

If effeminate males are the issue, the males could be beefed up without ending with a pair where one barely meets the other’s bellybutton xD Personally the issue with effeminate bugs me a bit. Not for any SJWish reasons, but like…logically the males and females shouldn’t likely be ridiculously different past colors/manes/other sexual dimorphisms. The bunnies have to get it on at some point to make more bunnies. If the females are tall, lean, and walk on their toes, would a tall, lean, man that walks on their toes really be that awkward a design to work with?

By all means if gender locks happen than campaign for them to be unlocked. I'm with everyone in that I'd want both these races to be unlocked. But I'm also a person who would have preferred something more interesting than Viera to be added to the game. So if it's to be genderlocked, so be it if it means we get something more interesting.

I would have been all for a beast pair had they gone with that. I just hate the idea of two halves, especially with such a highly demanded (and teased) whole.

[DevilsDontFly]

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.

Maybe SE is making the game a little bit more "immersive" when it comes to your race of choice and some NPCs might acknowledge that. It might even be a way of them saying "Hey, you, come check the New Game+ feature we're adding this expansion because now you might have some race specific interactions on it as well".

That or they might do something similar to how beast tribes progress work. As in: The map looks different based off your reputation with said beast tribe, and it doesn't conflict with the "immersion" of someone else's progress.
So maybe based off your progess on the mainstory, we might finally see Au Ra, Hrothgar and Viera NPCs interacting to the other races on areas introduced prior to their release.

[artyport]

Demonstrably false. I really wish this lie would stop being repeated so much.



Typically things don't make it to the localization phase just to be cut. Especially something like a player race which needs a ton of work on the art and animations asset side. You wouldn't get to the stage where the localization team needs to start putting not just the race's name but also descriptors such as noticeable features.

you really just like to argue... let the people who want male viera speak their piece so that maybe SE will get the idea that gender locking isn't what mmorpg players want on the vast majority

[Senn]

Male viera seems kind of unlikely to me at this point.

It could possibly go this way; we get a tall variant of viera that is female only (the ones we saw in the trailer), and the variant that look like "young elezen" will have males and females. Additionally, we'll get a lion race - probably gender locked to males.

If we are getting a shorter variant of viera, the males and females could look kind of similar... If they actually did go out of their way to make a shorter variant of viera, and if the males and females look similar, then that wouldn't be an extraordinary amount of extra work to create males. It'd still be extra work with the animations and all, but if they look similar, why not use those assets for males, too? This is just wishful thinking, though. It's unlikely we'll see male viera. Very unfortunate. I'd love to be wrong.

[Shippuu]

you really just like to argue... let the people who want male viera speak their piece so that maybe SE will get the idea that gender locking isn't what mmorpg players want on the vast majority

I'm allowed to speak my opinions and engage in dialogue on a public forum. Not once have I said anyone couldn't or shouldn't speak their mind here, nor have I told anyone to stop advocating for what they want.

If you'd prefer an echo chamber there's plenty of places and sites that would accommodate you. I pay my sub like everyone else here, I have just as much right to voice my opinion as anyone else does.