Gender locked race?

[reivaxe]

And I wonder how he feels about that particular decision and development time spent. He might take caution in the future and perhaps not listen to people who may seem vocal about something, only to ultimately not actually play it/consume it. Similarly, people complained (and still do, in this thread even) about the dimorphic nature of Au Ra. He could easily take that pushback and apply it to help himself justify not doing male Viera. If he wanted to make them dimorphic (again because he's not keen on male bunnies), but then he'd catch flak again for doing it, it might encourage him to just not do that and instead we are presented with a possible male only separate race.
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That's a strange argument your have there.
I mean, roe weren't the only gender locked people.
Sure, us femroe as next to invisible and will only become more so with any new tall female race ( as a femroe for years I'm jumping on that bunny train as soon as it comes to the station) ... But cat bois are hella popular and I see female highlands all the time. These are also groups that were gender locked.

And at this point the team should know that if they genderlock people will just demand the genders be unlocked until they are.

So imo if they fear another femroe level of visibility of any new race's gender they would be better off trying to rethink their approach on how they design these races instead of just accepting that a gender might be too nitch to warrant development.

Anyway, I still don't really care ... I got my bunny and that's all I wanted. If they give me tall pretty cat girls I'd diff flip flop between them but it's not something that would disappoint me.

I just think it would be a huge mistake to go back to gender locking because regardless of how many people will actually play ... Most everyone's gonna complain about it and dream up what they think the gender should look like.

EDIT- I also find it odd how no one ever points out the dimorphism in Roe. They don't really look like the GO together at all to me. The RoeBros are tall, meaty, wide walking walls ... IMO if I were designing the Femroes based on that I would make them tall, meaty and curvy. They would look like Christina Hendricks, look as visibly feminine as the males look masculine while also being wider than any race and tall. What we got makes us look like Gym instructors and many animations don't have a clear persona behind them. You got some big goofy girl animations. You got ... stud(?) poses. You got overly-trying-to-be cute animations. You got like 1 imposing pose.

But that's just me I guess. When I look at the races everything lines up outside out the Roe and Scaley Folks.

[Flatopia]

At this point, the fact is there are two races- one Viera and one Hrothgar. One way or another we have bunny girls and lion-people.
The real question is if the if/else statements in the code is just there as a uniformity thing or if it means we are getting both.

Personally, I believe it's the latter. Au Ra, (or in this case Ao Ra) use a singular method of identifying their gender because of French linguistic rules. This isn't a hard rule, and could easily have used the standard rules for male and female. They went the extra mile and showed that they will go against uniformity for comfortable reading. I feel as though if they are willing to do that, they would be okay with removing if/then statements for options that do not exist. This is also compounded with optimization's sake of making sure the game does as few processes as possible, although this is rather minor and wouldn't affect much so this is hardly an argument.

[Daralii]

This seems like a strange addition to add into the game. Consider Aura, they didnt go back and edit in Aura into the class quests lines. Its a weird place to insert lore; most of your player base wont see that tidbit.

That specific GLD quest makes mention of your race's characteristics no matter what. Au ra received a comment when they were added, and viera have also had a line added that references their ears.

[Yasminou]

Personally, I believe it's the latter. Au Ra, (or in this case Ao Ra) use a singular method of identifying their gender because of French linguistic rules. This isn't a hard rule, and could easily have used the standard rules for male and female. They went the extra mile and showed that they will go against uniformity for comfortable reading. I feel as though if they are willing to do that, they would be okay with removing if/then statements for options that do not exist. This is also compounded with optimization's sake of making sure the game does as few processes as possible, although this is rather minor and wouldn't affect much so this is hardly an argument.

What do you mean it is not a hard rule? It is a hard rule. Only few words starting with a vowel forbid le/la to become l' in front of them. It would be the same as saying that in English, a becoming an in front of a vowel sound is not a hard rule (true vowel sound, not semi-vowel like in universe for instance).
What do you mean by comfortable reading?
Reading French? In which case, l'ao ra is the comfortable one, not le ao ra / la ao ra.
Or reading the conditional statements about race and gender? In which case, I don't see the point in testing the gender if the outcome is the same.

[Tabbs]

What do you mean it is not a hard rule? It is a hard rule. Only few words starting with a vowel forbid le/la to become l' in front of them. It would be the same as saying that in English, a becoming an in front of a vowel sound is not a hard rule (true vowel sound, not semi-vowel like in universe for instance).
What do you mean by comfortable reading?
Reading French? In which case, l'ao ra is the comfortable one, not le ao ra / la ao ra.
Or reading the conditional statements about race and gender? In which case, I don't see the point in testing the gender if the outcome is the same.

I think she's referring to the last thing you mentioned, about conditional statements. I don't know how French works with coding, so I can't comment, but it sounds like an interesting point.

[Anyan]

Masculinity is attractive to me, femininity is not. It's just that simple, what's so baffling about that?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? That was not what baffled me. I find somewhat geeky men hot. Toshiyuki Toyonaga is the most attractive real person I've ever seen but that is neither here nor there. No, it was why you would shame or mock someone from thinking or feeling differently than you, when you yourself most likely has been shamed for liking men.


edit: To keep this post semi-related, and also fun, I'm going to post what kind of body type I'd prefer for male Viera. Fit and lean that looks like it's been developed naturally by living in such an environment, made for hunting and stealth. Not that I would mind something close to the human version of Byakko or something in-between either.





aaargh, second edit!: People really need to learn the difference between an effeminate man, and an androgynous one.

[Riardon]

Seems like many on this thread assume that we choose the gender of our characters based on our sexual preferences.
I want to kindly remind you that there are people like me who choose to play the same gender as IRL just because it represents us better in the story.
I can't feel empathy for a character that's not close to me.
So please stop derailing the thread with useless discussions on what you like in your private rooms.
I want male Viera because it will feel right. Not to mention the oversexualised female Viera while pleasant to the eye they also make the game feel kinda Korean cheap.
Having a female only race while you know there are males but you can't see them because of silly lore shenanigans is just a lazy approach.
If they wanted to make a female only race they should've reworked the lore and state there are no males whatsoever and that this race reproduces asexually.

[Nestama]

What SE really should have done is not copy-paste FFXII's Viera lore :^)
They could have made the Viera something similar, but more... rabbit-y/hare-y in appearance. Maybe instead of being xenophobic forest people with males who live to a point of seemingly not existing... they could be not that at all. Make them snow rabbits/hares or whatever.

Or not make them playable in the first place because rabbits and hares are horrible little monsters like mice.

[Anyan]

Seems like many on this thread assume that we choose the gender of our characters based on our sexual preferences.
I want to kindly remind you that there are people like me who choose to play the same gender as IRL just because it represents us better in the story.
I can't feel empathy for a character that's not close to me.

I get what you're saying, it can get really tiresome I know, but at the same time you just contradicted yourself a bit. You choose to play a character that represents you better in the story based mostly on gender. Others extend this to sexual preference. Both are just as valid. Sexuality doesn't need to be the main focus in this thread but it's understandable why it comes up. Especially when it seems like the producer himself makes in game decisions based on his. If only people would stop mocking, belittling, shaming or making fun of those that differ from themselves it doesn't even need to be a problem.

I 100% agree with you on the rest though. I don't mind sexy women (or men obviously) but it was strange to me how girly and seductive they chose to showcase them as at the Fan Fest. It was more of a giggling "come hither" feel than fierce warrior. I don't want this game to keep going in that direction.

[Kupocoubo]

edit: To keep this post semi-related, and also fun, I'm going to post what kind of body type I'd prefer for male Viera. Fit and lean that looks like it's been developed naturally by living in such an environment, made for hunting and stealth. Not that I would mind something close to the human version of Byakko or something in-between either.





aaargh, second edit!: People really need to learn the difference between an effeminate man, and an androgynous one.

Are those leaks of the Dancer job ? lmao