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    On the topic of why people are taking "au ra" to be neutral in French, it's not so much "l'Ao ra" but "mon Ao ra" which is telling. All the other races are addressed as "ma" if the character is female.

    However, I would not put much weight on this. If the game runs a separate check for inserting correctly gendered nouns etc., it doesn't really matter whether feminine articles/possessives are used or whether Au ra are, for whatever reason, treated as a neutral gender when the race is referred to. It sets no binding precedent on SE, either, to adopt it for future races.

    Here's another tidbit:

    Hrothgar, also rendered Hrōðgār, is an Old English form attested in Beowulf and Widsith, the earliest sources to mention the character. In non-English sources, the name appears in more or less corresponding Old Icelandic, Old Danish, and Latinized versions. He appears as Hróarr, Hroar, etc., in sagas and poetry, and as Ro or Roe in the Danish Latin chronicles. The form Hrōðgār is thought to have derived from the proto-Norse *Hrōþigaizaz[3] "famous spear", i.e. Roger. However, the corresponding Old Norse name Hróarr and its variations are not derived from *Hrōþigaizaz, but from the very close names *Hrōþiwarjaz "famous defender" or *Hrōþiharjaz "famous warrior". These two names, both appearing as Hróarr in Scandinavia, did not have any corresponding Old English form, and so Hrōðgār was their closest equivalent.[4]
    From the fount of all knowledge itself. (/s)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Here's another tidbit:



    From the fount of all knowledge itself. (/s)
    Hot diddle, relates to famous spear work too haha. Mountain, cold, spear, lion.

    OI OI, GWEN, GWEN - What race does that sound like?

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    xD Shougun, it's not Ronso!
    OH, RoooNNNsssssUUUOOOO!?!?!?!?!

    Hahaha <3


    I play of course, the fact it doesn't use the name like Viera means they're probably going to toy with the imagery a bit (iirc Ronso in French is still Ronso, so this race is new). But those references.. they just keep giving XD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Hot diddle, relates to famous spear work too haha. Mountain, cold, spear, lion.

    OI OI, GWEN, GWEN - What race does that sound like?



    OH, RoooNNNsssssUUUOOOO!?!?!?!?!

    Hahaha <3


    I play of course, the fact it doesn't use the name like Viera means they're probably going to toy with the imagery a bit (iirc Ronso in French is still Ronso, so this race is new). But those references.. they just keep giving XD.

    NO RONSO FOR U11!!!!

    But if they are, then wham bam! Congrats!

    So many posts; any big news on the male Viera front?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    On the topic of why people are taking "au ra" to be neutral in French, it's not so much "l'Ao ra" but "mon Ao ra" which is telling. All the other races are addressed as "ma" if the character is female.

    However, I would not put much weight on this. If the game runs a separate check for inserting correctly gendered nouns etc., it doesn't really matter whether feminine articles/possessives are used or whether Au ra are, for whatever reason, treated as a neutral gender when the race is referred to. It sets no binding precedent on SE, either, to adopt it for future races.
    I might be replaying late, but "mon ao ra" is also due to French grammar, not the fact that "ao ra" is treated as neutral in French. As far as I can think, no living species are treated as neutral in French, either they have both a masculine and a feminine words, or they only have one gender word and then we specify the sex by adding the equivalent of male/female if needed (for instance frog only exists has a feminine word and edgehog as a masculine one).
    Possessive determiner "ma, ta, sa" (my, your, his/her/its for feminine/female term) becomes "mon, ton, son" in front of a word starting with a vowel (or an h in some cases) for euphonic reason. So, even though "école" (school) is feminine, we say "mon école" (my school) but "ma grande école" (my big school).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasminou View Post
    I might be replaying late, but "mon ao ra" is also due to French grammar, not the fact that "ao ra" is treated as neutral in French. As far as I can think, no living species are treated as neutral in French, either they have both a masculine and a feminine words, or they only have one gender word and then we specify the sex by adding the equivalent of male/female if needed (for instance frog only exists has a feminine word and edgehog as a masculine one).
    Possessive determiner "ma, ta, sa" (my, your, his/her/its for feminine/female term) becomes "mon, ton, son" in front of a word starting with a vowel (or an h in some cases) for euphonic reason. So, even though "école" (school) is feminine, we say "mon école" (my school) but "ma grande école" (my big school).
    My French is getting rusty I suppose. Thanks for the correction. In which case, it's consistent with the rest of the races.
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