So people are defending the msq dc exploit

[Jib]

SWTOR was (still is) a very heavy cutscene mmorpg. If I remember correctly, their solution was to make all cutscenes mandatory unless all players involved pressed a button to skip them. They could do something like this for msq roulette. Keep them mandatory but if everyone wanted to skip then they are skipabble.

“Oh but then players will harass the ones that didn’t skip”. Just make it anonymous. You press skip but other players can’t see who skipped or not.

Doing this way if you are playing and you press skip and it stays it means there is at least one player that wants to see them, and that for me is fair enough.

[Kuroka]

the one sprout is sadly rly oblivious so that wont work, further theyd just DC and return after 10 min or wait for vote abandon.

[Seraphor]

If cutscenes are made skippable, then they have to reduce the rewards back to what they used to be, to reflect the time spent.
If there’s any kind of choice involved, then people will be in conflict.
Those who want to see the cutscenes.
Those who don’t care but want the full rewards.
Those who don’t want to see the cutscenes.
Those who don’t care but want to get through quickly with a lesser reward.

You will have people pressuring others to skip, whether or not it’s anonymous, or you’ll have people DC’ing or dropping out and eating the penalty in order to get the content they want, because there’s too many differing motivations there.
The only solution is to remove the choice form the instance entirely, placing the choice BEFORE you queue for the instance. You choose to enter an instance with cutscenes or without cutscenes, and you’re held to that choice.
This exploit of DC’ing to skip cutscenes represents a choice within the instance, and that’s why it’s a problem that needs to be addressed.

Given that the roulette system exists purely to encourage players to run level synced content to give newbies more players to play with, then it runs at odds with that philosophy to make cutscenes skippable. You’re making the content intended for newbies completely unfriendly for newbies.
If you want to run MSQ without the cutscenes, then it should be you who uses PF or runs it unsynced.
If you want the rewards that have been specifically tailored to a 45 minute long instance, then you eat that time, that’s the price for the high reward.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Of course it was an exploit. Not because of turning off the game or anything, but because it used an in-game flaw to achieve something that the developers did not intend. You submitted the same score multiple times through the flaw of the IN-GAME code, the flaw of it saving the scores that are not submitted properly...but also stacking them. The exploit begun before you even turned the game off.

That and this are two different things. Complain all you want, but "semantics" are extremely important in any kind of clash of interests. Semantics are what can make or break a court case. You cannot dismiss them just cause you think that "If they do something that I don't want them to do, it must be an exploit". I never said that what they are doing is "good". But I did say that technically speaking it is not an exploit, therefore they cannot be banned for what they did up till now. It will become an exploit if the developers will find a way to deal with the problem (like counting the run-down of the cutscene even when someone is disconnected) and players will somehow manage to dodge that, because at that point they should not have normally access to the system they are using now.

1. It is a flaw in the ingame code, it just happens to be the code that runs after a disconnect.

2. It's not 'them doing something I don't want them to do', it's them doing something the devs don't want them to do.

3. Exploits don't only become considered exploits once they've been addressed by the devs.

4. Exploits don't need to be fixed prior to devs being able to punish for their use.

5. Even if not considered an exploit, they could still be pegged under disrupting other player's experience by forcing newbies to not get to experience the dungeon as the devs intend.

[whiskeybravo]

If you want the rewards that have been specifically tailored to a 45 minute long instance, then you eat that time, that’s the price for the high reward.

Not really considering it takes around 15mins for the same reward from an expert level dungeon.

They just need to get rid of MSQ roulette altogether and make them solo instances. Problem solved.

[spf1200]

You guys do know that you don't have to run this right? If watching the cutscenes is so hard do run them. There are alot of us that don't mind them and will continue to do it. You aren't needed to keep the queues short stop trying to play the victim card.

[Seraphor]

Not really considering it takes around 15mins for the same reward from an expert level dungeon.

They just need to get rid of MSQ roulette altogether and make them solo instances. Problem solved.

Expert is level 70.
MSQ is level 50.

[Songwillow]

This whole time, I never realized that this would be considered cheating or damaging to a player's experience. I would skip scenes for the humor in it and usually get a laugh from the group, but now that I know that it considered an exploit that can be reportable or considered cheating, I will have to reconsider those actions. I wonder if I would be at risk of getting in trouble for doing it in the past or joining others in this. Also this glitch works just as well on PS4 version as it does on the PC version.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

This whole time, I never realized that this would be considered cheating or damaging to a player's experience. I would skip scenes for the humor in it and usually get a laugh from the group, but now that I know that it considered an exploit that can be reportable or considered cheating, I will have to reconsider those actions. I wonder if I would be at risk of getting in trouble for doing it in the past or joining others in this. Also this glitch works just as well on PS4 version as it does on the PC version.

Skipping cutscenes isn't reportable nor cheating. It's only reportable if you start heavily complaining about the people who don't or if you threaten them with kicking for not doing so.

[Violet_Galaxy]

The way I see it? SE fully endorses this since they can't be bothered to do anything about this. Reporting such offenders who brag about it in chat does nothing either. My suggestion? We need an in-game recorder. Video evidence > He said/She said. But I'm not holding my breath on this AT ALL. I say, partake in it yourself since SE endorses this.