SCH needs some nerfs

[Lastelli]

oh you again hmm.. maybe because 80% of the playerbase don't even touch (hardcore) savage?... this elite talk is just bs.

/facepalm...

Again,

And why would all those casual healers be concerned about a potency buff to stone 3/aero, exactly?

[Neela]

/facepalm...

Again,

The only facepalm I see is your comment that a Heavy Shot potecy nerf would raise Mch to equality with Bard. ^^‘

[MoroMurasaki]

The only facepalm I see is your comment that a Heavy Shot potecy nerf would raise Mch to equality with Bard. ^^‘

First off they never said that so stop putting words in people's mouths, second of all leave that crap in that thread. Thanks. This isn't about MCH, there are enough threads going on about it.

I never said whm doesn’t deserve a change. I just said that this „who cares non savage content?!“ is bullshit - just because the raiders don’t it doesn’t meant the other 80% of player don’t care either. Nothing more.

You seem to be advocating for casual content to be taken into account when it comes to fine tuning jobs for Savage. That's a facepalming headdesk if I've ever seen one.

[Brightamethyst]

You seem to be advocating for casual content to be taken into account when it comes to fine tuning jobs for Savage.

Why is that wrong? Taking casual content into account when balancing jobs seems like it should be pretty important.

[Lastelli]

Why is that wrong? Taking casual content into account when balancing jobs seems like it should be pretty important.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyR8uio936k

Do you think this is balanced? How many people complain about the (current) total lack of balance in 4-man and solo content? There's really no need to balance around casual content. As long as jobs are balanced in 8-man content, they will also be balanced enough in casual content (within their respective role).

[MoroMurasaki]

Why is that wrong? Taking casual content into account when balancing jobs seems like it should be pretty important.

Do you remember the old SAT question style of "If all Fleebs are Flobs and all Flobs are Blurbs are all Blurbs Fleebs?"

It's kind of like that. Every job balanced around endgame will function perfectly fine in casual content but jobs balanced around casual content will not necessarily (as proven by WHM) be fully functional much less competitive in Savage.

I challenge you to come up with a change that would break a class in casual content (either positively or negatively) that would go unnoticed or at least not prompt a reaction from people playing Savage. There isn't any. Every difference in a class that's visible in something like Ridorana is magnified a good bit in o9s and once you get into late stage Savage/Ultimate it only becomes more important.

[Neela]

First off they never said that so stop putting words in people's mouths, second of all leave that crap in that thread. Thanks. This isn't about MCH, there are enough threads going on about it.

oh he/she didn't? ^^



I wasn't the one who start the bite - but im also not the one who will take it without defending myself. And its not about Mch or Whm - its just about if someone said something so stupid about a Brd-skill-change - he/she doubtly understands other-skills adjustments as well. thats why I brought it over here.

^^

[MoroMurasaki]

oh he/she didn't? ^^



I wasn't the one who start the bite - but im also not the one who will take it without defending myself. And its not about Mch or Whm - its just about if someone said something so stupid about a Brd-skill-change - he/she doubtly understands other-skills adjustments as well. thats why I brought it over here.

^^

So.... comfirmed, you don't read?

They said a pDPS nerf to brd could make MCH competitive again. This is not saying it would make MCH equal to BRD in the same way that I'm not saying a pDPS nerf to SCH would not make WHM equal to SCH.

Some groups will value the rDPS from Chain over a bit more pDPS from WHM anyways just like some groups will prefer BRDs utility to MCH's.

These suggestions are band-aids to help mitigate the gigantic disparity in clear rates between classes like BRD and SCH and their competition for the months leading up to 5.0.

Hey guys. I've been on a bit of a hiatus. Am I missing anything? Since the recent ast buff AST and SCH have been roughly neck to neck when it comes to rdps. And well, healing.... well not like the game requires much healing to start with so pretty irrelevant.

Why this nerf thread now? I would've been expecting a thread about how whm is broken instead.

Welcome back!

There are a lot of threads (and have been a lot of threads, several by me) talking about how WHM needs help. I chose to make this one because I came to realize how well the current raid tier synergizes with SCH's kit and how the clear rates for this tier were so heavily skewed towards WHM/AST basically not being used as a comp.

WHM's (myself previously included) have been pointing our fingers at AST as the source of our woes because it's been seen as our direct competition as a regen healer for a long time but the truth is with the Balance nerf and the addition of Miasma II to SCH AST hasn't been the issue here for a while now, it's all SCH.

It's kind of like the MCH/Caster wars going on for a while now - instead of pointing fingers at each other they should be looking at BRD which is in an even better (worse?) place in terms of clears for Alphascape when you consider it's one out of nine DPS with one out of five clears.

WHM's complaining about their lack of rDPS and low pDPS are complaining about a perfectly valid issue but it doesn't seem to be doing anything, my hope is that if SCH was not seen as practically mandatory (or even in some situations disadvantaged) that you would see more WHM/AST pairs and better healer balance overall.

[Lastelli]

oh he/she didn't? ^^



I wasn't the one who start the bite - but im also not the one who will take it without defending myself. And its not about Mch or Whm - its just about if someone said something so stupid about a Brd-skill-change - he/she doubtly understands other-skills adjustments as well. thats why I brought it over here.

^^

You once again proved that you don't know what you're talking about. Why are you discussing about jobs balance when you lack the basic knowledge of how balance works in this game?

You still haven't written a meaningful post explaining why casual players should feel outraged by a pdps buff to whm or why a pdps nerf to brd wouldn't contribute to making mch more competitive, by the way.