SCH needs some nerfs

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Oh, great, one of these again. So OP wants us to return to 4.0 where SCH struggled behind all healer classes? Because that's what you get when you ask for a nerf.

Better idea is to buff WHM and AST.

Don't strawman. You can nerf a job without destroying it. There comes a point where constantly buffing something leads to power creep. Case in point, look at BRD/MCH back in HW. They were constantly buffed against one another instead of nerfing the one too far ahead. It led to both becoming so strong, the Casters were deemed worthless.

[Maltothoris]

I understand the trepidation regarding nerfs but they need to be taken into consideration when balancing. Too much buffs and you end with Brd and Mch and noct astro in 3.4 (where it solo healed A12s within 2-3 weeks after its release. I stand by what they did to whispering dawn being a good nerf in 4.3.

[MoroMurasaki]

Oh, great, one of these again. So OP wants us to return to 4.0 where SCH struggled behind all healer classes? Because that's what you get when you ask for a nerf.

Better idea is to buff WHM and AST.

Yes, don't you see the part of my post where I say they need to revert to 4.0 SCH?

Honestly maybe read the post before responding to the title?

The state of SCH today is a direct result of over-nerfing it at the beginning of SB. Same with WAR honestly. People complained that they were no longer OP and SE listened and buffed a bunch of things while adding in QoL except they never actually took anything away to compensate. Whoever thought that Indom needed that potency buff specifically should seriously have their judgment called into question, it was one of the stupidest decisions I've seen made in this game in my time here and I mained WHM as lillies released.

SCH seeing nerfs isn't inherently bad. It's spent all but the first few weeks of the expansion as the 100% strongest healer without any rival, to be honest it should be taken down a peg or five. SCH mains can stick it out or swap just like WHM mains have had to for basically all of SB.

It's overdue. Deal with it.

[jameseoakes]

Yes, don't you see the part of my post where I say they need to revert to 4.0 SCH?

Honestly maybe read the post before responding to the title?

The state of SCH today is a direct result of over-nerfing it at the beginning of SB. Same with WAR honestly. People complained that they were no longer OP and SE listened and buffed a bunch of things while adding in QoL except they never actually took anything away to compensate. Whoever thought that Indom needed that potency buff specifically should seriously have their judgment called into question, it was one of the stupidest decisions I've seen made in this game in my time here and I mained WHM as lillies released.

SCH seeing nerfs isn't inherently bad. It's spent all but the first few weeks of the expansion as the 100% strongest healer without any rival, to be honest it should be taken down a peg or five. SCH mains can stick it out or swap just like WHM mains have had to for basically all of SB.

It's overdue. Deal with it.

I'm not sure spite nerfs are ever a good idea

[Ftail]

Yes, don't you see the part of my post where I say they need to revert to 4.0 SCH?.

You either never played SCH during 4.0 or you are completely spiteful and just want to punish the class. Almost everyone agrees SCH needs a nerf and WHM needs a buff. It's honestly shocking to see so many salty players agree with you, when did balancing classes stop mattering? Instead of taking down SCH's a peg, you want them taken down five pegs. "SCH mains can stick it out or swap just like WHM..."

I will never agree with you salty players who just want to punish other classes out of spite. I want balance between all the healer classes. SCH needs to be nerfed, but you people want to take it a step beyond that and it's honestly sickening to read.

[HyperiusUltima]

I'm not sure spite nerfs are ever a good idea

She’s not saying it out of Spite. SCH as it is now almost virtually has universal CDs for every raid buster and tank buster. AST is also in this stance, just not with universal healing and shielding like SCH has(and a faffing fairy) lest they go into Noct Sect. What SE needs to look at is Healers as a whole and find the major outliers in both healing and mitigation and properly tune them.

[jameseoakes]

She’s not saying it out of Spite. SCH as it is now almost virtually has universal CDs for every raid buster and tank buster. AST is also in this stance, just not with universal healing and shielding like SCH has(and a faffing fairy) lest they go into Noct Sect. What SE needs to look at is Healers as a whole and find the major outliers in both healing and mitigation and properly tune them.

Double SCH still has to be viable in duty finder content so they can't take to much too much strength out of it's aoe heals as it stills need to be a viable healer.

[KDSilver]

Double SCH still has to be viable in duty finder content so they can't take to much too much strength out of it's aoe heals as it stills need to be a viable healer.

You could already do the job more than enough in Heavensward without Excog/Fey Union/45s aetherflow
Indom was 400 and Emergency tactics 30s.
No largess

[Cerenessus]

You could already do the job more than enough in Heavensward without Excog/Fey Union/45s aetherflow
Indom was 400 and Emergency tactics 30s.
No largess

in other words, while WHM and AST gets 5 new skills and traits each to close gaps in their skillssets SCH should have gotten nothing?

and just a little reminder: the reason SCH is the best Healer right now is comes from the combination of ogcd-heals, fairy and decent mitigation - nerf one skill and you risk that SE will buff another skill shortly after... wouldnt be the first time...
maybe it´s smarter to ask for content, that requieres more healing...

[Dualgunner]

in other words, while WHM and AST gets 5 new skills and traits each to close gaps in their skillssets SCH should have gotten nothing?

and just a little reminder: the reason SCH is the best Healer right now is comes from the combination of ogcd-heals, fairy and decent mitigation - nerf one skill and you risk that SE will buff another skill shortly after... wouldnt be the first time...
maybe it´s smarter to ask for content, that requieres more healing...

We did ask for more Ultimates, which at this time is the only content that requires the level of healing where a WHM will come out on top. They said wait till next expansion, so...we're waiting till next expansion.