SCH needs some nerfs

[Ghishlain]

Hiya Ghish! If I'm in a healer foxhole, I'm glad it's one with you around! While I've got you here, can I ask how you to teach a fellow healy-lala to do the quote "click to show" code? I should be able to find it, but I'm failing miserably.

=D Hoy/

So the BBC codes for hiding the text is [.HB] and [./HB] without the periods (so I don't hide the text, lol). Alternatively it's this button on the advance posting UI:

That aside, totally in agreement with you when it comes to adding a 4th healer. It's very possible in such a scenario to do a WHM/AST vs SCH/DNC (or whatever combination), having each of those in a smaller competition for their one healing slot. I'm always in favor of synergistic combinations, but either of those two situations occurring would be an alright step, and an easier one to make adjustments to down the road.

I am sincerely hoping we do not end up with one cemented healer and three healers fighting over the last slot. Absolute worst outcome!

Also thanks in regards to the Ultimate info. I don't really keep up with that at all, but it's further proof that if content design shifts, WHM is certainly able to pull ahead - it's less about making WHM squeeze out more damage and more about SCH not being able to squeeze as much as it does in these cases, and it's totally a valid method.

Let's hope S-E learned their lesson regarding AST when they release the fourth healer. /pray

And also about content design, though I guess if we made content too punishing we'd loss the raid scene again like what happened with Gordias / Midas. It's kind of a shame that it takes a hard fight like Ultima to put a bit of spot light onto WHM in this capacity. Hopefully we'll see some solid kit adjustments come 5.0. I'd kill for a second swiftcast on WHM..

By the way, in regards to my previous post: Before anyone reading wants to go dig up my logs to try and discredit my points as a terrible healer, let me be the first to say I'm very aware of my strengths and weaknesses as a WHM, and I'm very aware of my static's strengths and weaknesses. I've got a new cohealer entirely new to raid healing FFXIV, and the damage/healing tabs will show the results of this - feel free to dig further back into deltascape and sigmascape to look at things with the opposite kind of healer (a succor-heavy scholar). I am far from the world's most fantastical WHM. Fortunately, that is not a requirement for balance and design discussions, nor does being one immediately qualify one as a paragon of class design.

The last time I saw a world first player talking class design to buff AST early into HW all they could come up with was cloning WHM abilities~

I'm kinda surprised no one has called me out for pitiful SCH percentiles yet, to be honest xD

Also on the topic of random AST redesigns, here's an obsolete post I made two years ago regarding an AST redesign if you're bored. lol.

While I've found all of these subsequent posts lovely I just wanted to tack on here that for Alphascape right now the clear rates for SCH/AST/WHM are about 45k/31k/27k respectively. This is even more dramatic if you focus in on o12s where WHM has just over 1.5k kills versus AST at 2.7k and SCH scratching at 4k. SCH is closer to trippling WHM clear rates than WHM is to even catching up to AST in the final raid of the expansion.

I realize neither of you was arguing against this but I just wanted to make it clear that there is no evidence that WHM is doing fine in any capacity in Alphascape, it's lagging behind terribly actually the further into the tier you get.

We WHM's still aren't as bad as BLM, SAM, MNK, RDM, MCH, or DRK! *Coughs loudly*

With that being said and on a more serious note, as much as I'd like to see some love come in WHM's direction, I hope S-E can first address the giant elephant in the room regarding healer identity and similarities.

[Erakir]

=D Hoy/

So the BBC codes for hiding the text is [.HB] and [./HB] without the periods (so I don't hide the text, lol). Alternatively it's this button on the advance posting UI:

Oh gosh thank you <3 I saw that HB button and my mind just thought "What in the world is HB?" Shoulda given it a shot or googled that one I suppose!

As for everything else you and Moro mentioned, won't find me arguing~ Cheers!

[Lastelli]

We WHM's still aren't as bad as BLM, SAM, MNK, RDM, MCH, or DRK! *Coughs loudly*

I'm sorry to say this, but WHM is in a much worse spot than the jobs you mentioned. Replacing a pld with a drk or meta dps with a non-meta dps results in 100-200 rdps difference right now. Replacing a WHM with an AST can result in a 1k rdps difference.

(if you were being sarcastic, I didn't get it)